If this doesn't change your mind i don't know what will...

[oc_civic]

You can dodge it all you like

Fact is I know Biz isn't serious, and I know that you are.

You can choose to quote my obvious sarcastic remark or the fact that I called you an Elitist.

But whatever, l know what to expect w/most of the threads you start, nothing new here. This is America, we all have our own thoughts/opinions.

OH right of course.. he is just kidding.. right.. he SPECIFICALLY says FUNNY.. BUT TRUE.. doesn't sound to me at all like he is kidding..

and he is COMPLETELY entitled to his opinion just as you are.. the issue i had with him is he just pops in and makes this silly claim and adds nothing of substance...

you can all b***h about me posting threads about illegals f**king s**t up.. but the purpose was to answer the call that was made earlier.. the one where i apparently was over reacting.. the one where i was told that illegals don't really commit much crime.. they just come here to make a better life.. earn a living.. they are peaceful loving people.. and so on.. and to that.. I call bullshit.. this is why i felt the NEED to post these things....

YES I completely and totally HATE illegals..

NO I do NOT hate people who are simply "non-white" I have illustrated this TIME and TIME again.. even just within this site..

Me taking pride in my cultural roots.. me being proud of the accomplishments of my race DOES NOT MAKE ME A RACIST.. it does not make me some shallow person filled with hatred..

did I say ALL non-white things in the world were trash and garbage? NO! I simply implied that the white race has contributed TONS in the way of worldly advances.. AND YES.. I DID point out the fact that MODERN down town Somalia, Haiti, Afghanistan, etc.. ARE s**t HOLES.. while places that have been more traditionally influenced by European culture have generally thrived... there are TONS of exceptions.. look at Russia.. predominantly white.. and yeah.. it SUCKS... i get it.. white people are NOT perfect.. my response was directed at Biz's comment initially..

 

[oc_civic]

does he get the DVD, at least?

That would only seem fair.. LOL

^^^ does that guys stomach say OC?

hmm.. looks like it could.. LOL
pure coincidence..

 

[bizoneoeh]

If all the whites WERE wiped off the earth... I'd lose alot of friends Now I wouldn't want that!




use me in your examples if you all want... it really doesn't matter.... to actually think I'm serious when I say something that... This is a civic forum on the internet, not some debate club in Wala Wala Washington!






in all seriousness for all you serious freaks.... I don't care what you are or where you're from... illegal or legal... as long as you're a productive member of society...that's all that should matter. To hate someone because they are another race than you without you even knowing the person you are hating on is plain f**king ignorant. those people are the REAL niggers! Yeah, there's alot of things I find funny about certian races including my own... that doesn't mean I will judge you tho.

 

[vjf915]

OC, I see no reason why you should stop posting these threads. Its a GOOD thing to inform people of these problems so that they are no longer ignorant on the matter. Just like you said, to show people that its not just someone coming here to make a better life for their family. As much as that excuse is bullshit, its still untrue even if the person breaks no law other than being here legally. Simply the fact that they pay no taxes is wrong.....whether they are from Mexico or Europe.

 

[civic209]

i guess we(you) know how the indians felt back when whites were considered illegal immigrants

 

[oc_civic]

i guess we(you) know how the indians felt back when whites were considered illegal immigrants

the difference there is SO vast..

the nation at that time was not one unified nation with law and order.. that all came FAR later..

AND

the white man TOOK land from the native americans via war and violent bloodshed...

obviously TAKING land through violence IS morally wrong.. I will not sit here and attempt to justify what the white man did to the native people of our country.. but again.. just to keep it fair and balanced.. there really is no comparison to the white man colonizing America, and the illegal breaching of our borders today.. I say this because we have an established nation with laws and boundaries.. the native Americans were various tribes of native people with individual laws.. so while i see what you are saying.. its not quite the same..

NOW with that said.. if Mexico wants to declare all out war.. and attempt to take the US as we took it from the native people.. i say by all means. make the call.. declare war.. because at least then we can deal with this s**t as it SHOULD be dealt with..

 

[civic209]

the difference there is SO vast..

the nation at that time was not one unified nation with law and order.. that all came FAR later..

AND

the white man TOOK land from the native americans via war and violent bloodshed...

obviously TAKING land through violence IS morally wrong.. I will not sit here and attempt to justify what the white man did to the native people of our country.. but again.. just to keep it fair and balanced.. there really is no comparison to the white man colonizing America, and the illegal breaching of our borders today.. I say this because we have an established nation with laws and boundaries.. the native Americans were various tribes of native people with individual laws.. so while i see what you are saying.. its not quite the same..

NOW with that said.. if Mexico wants to declare all out war.. and attempt to take the US as we took it from the native people.. i say by all means. make the call.. declare war.. because at least then we can deal with this s**t as it SHOULD be dealt with..

when you say colonizing you mean taking the red mans women and raping them? taking the land of the indians just because they are not unified and with laws that all tribes adhered to does not mean they are at less fault then the illegals here now. Yes there were some tribes that welcomed the white man and others who stood their ground and fought for their territory but that does not mean that it is any different from an established unified nation. it may not be "quite the same" but in fact they are much alike. if mexico were to declare war on the U.S. and lets say oh i dont know...Mexico defeated the United States of America(hypothetically) and all the white American people were forced to move to the right side of the United States and were not allowed to cross a certain boundary much like the white man forced much of the indians to the western side of America then you wouldnt be too happy would you? I am not trying to justify the illegals that come to the United States but what i am trying to point out is that when you have so much hatred for these illegals keep in mind how this country was founded upon...immigrants, some illegal(unwelcomed) and some legal(welcomed

 

[oc_civic]

when you say colonizing you mean taking the red mans women and raping them? taking the land of the indians just because they are not unified and with laws that all tribes adhered to does not mean they are at less fault then the illegals here now. Yes there were some tribes that welcomed the white man and others who stood their ground and fought for their territory but that does not mean that it is any different from an established unified nation. it may not be "quite the same" but in fact they are much alike. if mexico were to declare war on the U.S. and lets say oh i dont know...Mexico defeated the United States of America(hypothetically) and all the white American people were forced to move to the right side of the United States and were not allowed to cross a certain boundary much like the white man forced much of the indians to the western side of America then you wouldnt be too happy would you? I am not trying to justify the illegals that come to the United States but what i am trying to point out is that when you have so much hatred for these illegals keep in mind how this country was founded upon...immigrants, some illegal(unwelcomed) and some legal(welcomed

i would be all for giving illegals California if in return i never had to deal with them again.. that to me seems like a pretty fair trade...

the reason that its different is that we openly TOOK the land.. when you say "the white man took the land" you IMPLY that someone "owns" land when in actuality land changes hands all the time through war, purchase, etc.....

there is a difference between saying "we are taking this country and actually taking it through purchase and battle" as opposed to just sneaking in the back door causing problems..

if you blame the white man for the method in which America was acquired.. you should then also look at south America.. wasn't it the Spanish who conquered the Aztecs.... granted Spanish people (from Spain) are white.. but the point is the present people who live in these countries are not exactly PURE native South Americans, they are a mixture of native people AND INVADING European KILLERS, just like here in the gold old USA..

 

[civic209]

i would be all for giving illegals California if in return i never had to deal with them again.. that to me seems like a pretty fair trade...

the reason that its different is that we openly TOOK the land.. when you say "the white man took the land" you IMPLY that someone "owns" land when in actuality land changes hands all the time through war, purchase, etc.....

there is a difference between saying "we are taking this country and actually taking it through purchase and battle" as opposed to just sneaking in the back door causing problems..

if you blame the white man for the method in which America was acquired.. you should then also look at south America.. wasn't it the Spanish who conquered the Aztecs.... granted Spanish people (from Spain) are white.. but the point is the present people who live in these countries are not exactly PURE native South Americans, they are a mixture of native people AND INVADING European KILLERS, just like here in the gold old USA..

exactly my point! ok so now when you look back at what the white man did to the indians you are somewhat grateful because if they didnt do what they did then America couldve been colonized by some other country and then you would not be here correct? so basically what i am trying to say is do have so much hatred for the illegals who do come here for a better life, because in a couple generations a man who was born here and lived up to have a successful life and a good family in this great country would think back and say....damn...if my grandparents did not cross the border(legally or illegally[mostly illegally to get this point across]) then i would not have the life i have now... which is what you should be saying today about the white man coming to America.

on a side not....when you say "I imply that someone "owns" the land".....just because they do not have the "paperwork" or whatever is needed now to what your definition of "claiming" land doesnt mean that it wasnt theirs.

 

[oc_civic]

exactly my point! ok so now when you look back at what the white man did to the indians you are somewhat grateful because if they didnt do what they did then America couldve been colonized by some other country and then you would not be here correct? so basically what i am trying to say is do have so much hatred for the illegals who do come here for a better life, because in a couple generations a man who was born here and lived up to have a successful life and a good family in this great country would think back and say....damn...if my grandparents did not cross the border(legally or illegally[mostly illegally to get this point across]) then i would not have the life i have now... which is what you should be saying today about the white man coming to America.

the problem is modern society and old society are NOT similar..

when illegals SNEAK into the country NOW they are sneaking into an ESTABLISHED working machine.. one in which the burdens of life are shared between CONTRIBUTING members of its society.. through things like taxation.. FURTHER.. we as a nation ACKNOWLEDGE that people SHOULD be able to come here.. so to address that we create a LEGAL process that ALLOWS you to come here if you like.. we simply ask that you follow and honor our laws.. of which illegals do NOT..

North America is simply not the same as it was 200+ years ago.. so it is really unreasonable to draw those analogies..

groups of people have conquered one another for as long as man has existed.. it will continue to be that way for ever,,

and like i said previously.. if Mexico wants to flat out admit that their people are at war with us.. and are attempting to over throw the US.. well that would be great.. because then we could actually deal with the problem, instead of just trying to stop a bunch of people sneaking across the border..

the thing i have always wondered is this.. the government in NJ has sucked for some time.. we finally have someone in charge with a clue.. but during the past administrations, instead of sitting home and crying about it.. or running away to another state.. I got involved.. attended open meetings.. went to political functions.. tried to spread the word.. worked to better MY OWN STATE... and I often wonder.. if these oh so hard working people all got together.. and actually put as much effort into FIXING the countries they are from.. they might get somewhere.. because see here is the problem.. the united states..can simply NOT hold EVERYONE in the world.. we can't do it.. its impossible.. so INSTEAD of running away from your problems.. why not just stay where you belong and FIGHT TO MAKE IT BETTER... a lot of these illegals come here.. then go to these marches and s**t waving all these f**king Mexican flags and s**t.. IF MEXICO IS SO f**king WONDERFUL.. GO HOME.. go back there.. and FIX it.. instead of being a f**king hypocrite and running away from your problems.. I know that if someone tries to f**k MY country up I take it personally.. and GET INVOLVED..

 

[civic209]

ok so let me give you a situation....lets say im an illegal immigrant(hypothetically). My names Jerardo M. my parents smuggled me in when i was a kid, and i am 19 at the moment. I graduated high school and i am currently attending college so i can become an engineer(was always good at math) i have been working since i was 15 doing yard work around the neighborhood and then working in the almond fields as an irrigator and other things that needed to be done, and now i take care of an elderly person and i am his chauffeur, i take him where he needs to go(shopping, doctors appointments, whatever). i have been working for him for 2 years now. He considers me a grandson now. (if i did not start working when i was 15 i would not have my car i would not be going to college and i would not have the stuff i have now because my parents live check by check) This is going to be my second year in college and i have not committed a crime in my life. If my parents had not brought me over here i would probably have stopped at high school and started working everyday getting paid 10-20 dollars a day. Now if i told you i was an illegal immigrant(hypothetically) would you have any compassion towards me and all the success i have made in this country where in Mexico i would not have done so well? I have no papers for whatever reason, would u still feel the same hatred towards the illegals?

 

[oc_civic]

ok so let me give you a situation....lets say im an illegal immigrant(hypothetically). My names Jerardo Muneton, parents smuggled me in when i was a kid, and i am 19 at the moment. I graduated high school and i am currently attending college so i can become an engineer(was always good at math) i have been working since i was 15 doing yard work around the neighborhood and then working in the almond fields as an irrigator and other things that needed to be done, and now i take care of an elderly person and i am his chauffeur, i take him where he needs to go(shopping, doctors appointments, whatever). i have been working for him for 2 years now. He considers me a grandson now. (if i did not start working when i was 15 i would not have my car i would not be going to college and i would not have the stuff i have now because my parents live check by check) This is going to be my second year in college and i have not committed a crime in my life. If my parents had not brought me over here i would probably have stopped at high school and started working everyday getting paid 10-20 dollars a day. Now if i told you i was an illegal immigrant(hypothetically) would you have any compassion towards me and all the success i have made in this country where in Mexico i would not have done so well? I have no papers for whatever reason, would u still feel the same hatred towards the illegals?

I understand your situation.. not everyone who grows up in this country magically has it made.. I watched my mom drink her self to death and moved from school to school to school.. i could not afford college.. I went for a short period of time, but then dropped out.. i have worked my entire life.. just as you have..have dealt with similar s**t. but at the end of the day.. my compassion for you as a person does not defy my logic as a realist.. there are TONS of people in this world suffering FAR worse than those in southern and central america... SUFFERING in unbearable ways... i do genuinely feel bad for these people.. but that does not tell me to just let them all come here.. because it is simply illogical.. we need people who are motivated.. driven.. at HOME in their OWN countries.. motivating change.. doing SOMETHING to FIX the problem as opposed to just jumping ship.. just leaving where it sucks and going where its better does not fix the problem.. and it certainly does not justify ILLEGAL immigration.. you say you broke no laws.. you STOLE a spot in FRONT of some immigrant who is working hard FOLLOWING our laws.. you (hypothetically) broke our laws DAY ONE.... it was as a child.. we spoke about this before.. i certainly can NOT hold YOU responsible for the wrong doings of your parents.. but that still does not make it right..

 

[XxCivic98xX]

i think its hilarious that people reply to this wayyy more than they do all of the rest of the threads because this thread ISNT about cars in any way, shape, or form lmao...ironic

 

[nicoyita1]

ok so let me give you a situation....lets say im an illegal immigrant(hypothetically). My names Jerardo Muneton, parents smuggled me in when i was a kid, and i am 19 at the moment. I graduated high school and i am currently attending college so i can become an engineer(was always good at math) i have been working since i was 15 doing yard work around the neighborhood and then working in the almond fields as an irrigator and other things that needed to be done, and now i take care of an elderly person and i am his chauffeur, i take him where he needs to go(shopping, doctors appointments, whatever). i have been working for him for 2 years now. He considers me a grandson now. (if i did not start working when i was 15 i would not have my car i would not be going to college and i would not have the stuff i have now because my parents live check by check) This is going to be my second year in college and i have not committed a crime in my life. If my parents had not brought me over here i would probably have stopped at high school and started working everyday getting paid 10-20 dollars a day. Now if i told you i was an illegal immigrant(hypothetically) would you have any compassion towards me and all the success i have made in this country where in Mexico i would not have done so well? I have no papers for whatever reason, would u still feel the same hatred towards the illegals?

I don't think it's hatred towards illegals, but hatred towards those who come here illegally and take tremendous advantage of every thing they can at the cost of those who don't benefit from it. For example, an illegal immigrant comes to this country and has a baby. That baby is delivered for free at the cost of everybody elses tax dollars because the immigrant can't afford the medical bills. The ones paying for the baby to be born to illegal parents have to pay tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills for the same treatment. Fair? I think not. Once again, not hatred towards illegals, just hatred towards they way they have it made at the expense of others. Personally, that pisses me off too. I was born to immigrant parents who did things the right way, gained their citizenship, and don't qualify for government assistance. We're not rich. We pay taxes. That government assistance would greatly help my family, who struggles in this economy. However, the family next door is undocumented. They've had 2 kids since being here. They work for themselves in painting and light construction. They receive food stamps, medicaid, etc etc. I (leaving all pride aside) personally would benefit from that. I'm 19, a mechanical engineering student who has managed to be fortunate enough to have school paid for through scholarships. But man would my life be easier if I qualified for the same benefits as my undocumented neighbors. And to make matters worse, many of them are indeed criminals (beyond being here illegally to begin with). First, they're not supposed to be here. Second, they have what I don't and they don't pay for any of it. I understand that people have their struggles and necessities, but I strongly feel that each nation should protect their own first before protecting anybody else. If I were a parent, I'll be damned if I don't protect my kid first before protecting yours. Point being, those who genuinely need it and deserve it don't get it, while those who are here illegally have all the access they want to it. And we (tax payers) are paying for them to get what I can't have. Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.....OC, I know you're with me on this one man

 

[oc_civic]

I don't think it's hatred towards illegals, but hatred towards those who come here illegally and take tremendous advantage of every thing they can at the cost of those who don't benefit from it. For example, an illegal immigrant comes to this country and has a baby. That baby is delivered for free at the cost of everybody elses tax dollars because the immigrant can't afford the medical bills. The ones paying for the baby to be born to illegal parents have to pay tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills for the same treatment. Fair? I think not. Once again, not hatred towards illegals, just hatred towards they way they have it made at the expense of others. Personally, that pisses me off too. I was born to immigrant parents who did things the right way, gained their citizenship, and don't qualify for government assistance. We're not rich. We pay taxes. That government assistance would greatly help my family, who struggles in this economy. However, the family next door is undocumented. They've had 2 kids since being here. They work for themselves in painting and light construction. They receive food stamps, medicaid, etc etc. I (leaving all pride aside) personally would benefit from that. I'm 19, a mechanical engineering student who has managed to be fortunate enough to have school paid for through scholarships. But man would my life be easier if I qualified for the same benefits as my undocumented neighbors. And to make matters worse, many of them are indeed criminals (beyond being here illegally to begin with). First, they're not supposed to be here. Second, they have what I don't and they don't pay for any of it. I understand that people have their struggles and necessities, but I strongly feel that each nation should protect their own first before protecting anybody else. If I were a parent, I'll be damned if I don't protect my kid first before protecting yours. Point being, those who genuinely need it and deserve it don't get it, while those who are here illegally have all the access they want to it. And we (tax payers) are paying for them to get what I can't have. Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.....OC, I know you're with me on this one man

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you sum it all right up...

 

[vjf915]

Wow dude, great post. Its REALLY nice to see someone in your shoes contribute like that.

 

[Voltio]

I don't think it's hatred towards illegals, but hatred towards those who come here illegally and take tremendous advantage of every thing they can at the cost of those who don't benefit from it. For example, an illegal immigrant comes to this country and has a baby. That baby is delivered for free at the cost of everybody elses tax dollars because the immigrant can't afford the medical bills. The ones paying for the baby to be born to illegal parents have to pay tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills for the same treatment. Fair? I think not. Once again, not hatred towards illegals, just hatred towards they way they have it made at the expense of others. Personally, that pisses me off too. I was born to immigrant parents who did things the right way, gained their citizenship, and don't qualify for government assistance. We're not rich. We pay taxes. That government assistance would greatly help my family, who struggles in this economy. However, the family next door is undocumented. They've had 2 kids since being here. They work for themselves in painting and light construction. They receive food stamps, medicaid, etc etc. I (leaving all pride aside) personally would benefit from that. I'm 19, a mechanical engineering student who has managed to be fortunate enough to have school paid for through scholarships. But man would my life be easier if I qualified for the same benefits as my undocumented neighbors. And to make matters worse, many of them are indeed criminals (beyond being here illegally to begin with). First, they're not supposed to be here. Second, they have what I don't and they don't pay for any of it. I understand that people have their struggles and necessities, but I strongly feel that each nation should protect their own first before protecting anybody else. If I were a parent, I'll be damned if I don't protect my kid first before protecting yours. Point being, those who genuinely need it and deserve it don't get it, while those who are here illegally have all the access they want to it. And we (tax payers) are paying for them to get what I can't have. Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.....OC, I know you're with me on this one man

The difference in your explanation and OC's is that you didn't find the need to put up a picture of anything remotely racist I don't think OC is racist, I just think he walks a fine line

 

[oc_civic]

The difference in your explanation and OC's is that you didn't find the need to put up a picture of anything remotely racist I don't think OC is racist, I just think he walks a fine line

I may or may not be racist.. while i may not consider myself racist... i guess that is up to the individual to decide.. I DO without question judge a book by the cover and while that judgment MAY rest partially on ethnicity it does not rest SOLELY on ethnicity.. and I would say that works for me %75 of the time.. but even though i DO judge based on what I see I do NOT allow that prejudgment to prevent me from befriending someone who doesn't fit the normal mold of people I associate with..

hope that makes some sense.. lol

 

[Aaron.]

the percentage of crimes committed by american citizens is far greater then by illegal immigrants, thats a fact

so wouldnt it offend you if i made a thread everytime an american citizen f**ked something up like this? and then singling out everyone of them just because of a select few? Of course you would.

 

[vjf915]

I get just as pissed when a white American man commits the same crime this thread is based upon. I have no bias, because I feel like the crime committed is FAR worse than him being here illegally. However, the point of this thread was to point out that illegal immigrants do far more than simply come here for a better life.