you cant go wrong with 17's on a civic. if you got a black car, stay away from white rims, get bronze or black ones, 10 spoke like the rota subzeros but bigger i guess cause of the way the 7th gen civic looks, it just needs bigger rims than the 5th and 6th gen civics. it just wouldnt look right with 15 spoons yanno? never seen one, cant imagine it looking right in my mind