New invention by Körbach wants Drivers to test product
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I want to know is it difficult drilling the holes because it looks like they are installed in a tight area between the solid steel bumper and the front end near the radiator supports. And whats up with the 3 huge drill bits cause if i dont like it will it weaken the structure of my cars front end? And last question i see 4 brackets so do 2 go on the sides and 2 in the middle or what? Let me know casue Im intrested now. Cause I live on a street that hasent been repaired for the last 20 years and if it helps the feeling with the bumps and potholes on my street Im down for them. And has anyone tried them on a stock 99 Civic EX with stock shocks cause thats what I got.
spikestone said:
Thanks for your interest. Here's my reply.
Drilling is easy and accessible
The holes are near the neutral axis and it will not affect the structural integrity. The Frame Locks will actually stiffen it up.
There are 2 bracket on the left and 2 brackets on the right
It will make your ride less harsh and kidney busting.
David Lawson
Korbach Performance
"Building the Perfect Ride"
anfrey said:
Thanks for asking. Read my earlier posting. It's about 4-5 paragraphs of semi technical stuff.
David Lawson
Korbach Performance
"Building the Perfect Ride"
chimchim said:
Fair enough. Do not buy or try out until the article comes out. It will be out. I just talked to Bob Hernandez the Managing editor a couple of days ago. Now if I made a claim that it was coming out in a magazine and it didn't, my brand name would be dog meat and no one would ever buy. That would be pretty dumb of us to do. What we do have is about 10 Clubsi members that have backed us on this. They posted their reviews on the forums. In fact the moderator of the General forum just rode them on his car and he was impressed and will be doing a product review. I agree, we don't have much of a leg to stand on, but that is all we got for now. And that's why they are $ 70 for a tester. Prices will go up to $ 195 after this program. As far as an explanation, I did post a long one earlier. So check it out. Why can't I write just 3 sentences? I'm a fricking engineer who's left brain dominant. I'm sorry. I like the voodoo part. I tell people I hypnotize my testers. I'm just having fun here.
Hope that helps. I know it is big claims, but wait and see.
Thanks for your consideration
David Lawson
Korbach Performance
"Building the Perfect Ride"
chimchim said:
That's pretty funny. Actually it's Turbonator. And no I don't have one.
Wait and see. I think playing it safe is a good bet. There are quite a few people sticking their necks out on this.
David Lawson
Korbach Performance
"BUilding the Perfect Ride"
Ah... I found the one in the Lounge. I didn't see that post/thread before. Thanks.Solid_Ride said:
I'm still curious because the claims say "better ride quality" and "stiffer chassis"'; which are usually opposing trade offs. From the explaination, it sounds like the goal is a stiffer chassis, which is good. It still seems that " Even potholes will surprisingly lose their unexpected jolt." is the opposite of a stiffer chassis/suspension though.
It sounds basically what a strut bar does but contributes in a different degree/axis of freedom. It seems like (according to the installation pictures) that it would stiffen the chassis from flexing in rotational moments (like a airplanes yawing axis). I would guess that this rotational dimension will be stressed during cornering or whenever the wheels encounter differing levels of stress from each other.. It looks like the frame locks use the bumper braces as a parallel brace to the chassis. Another words, the goal of the frame lock is to reach out to the bumper brace and use it as the connecting bar for rigitidy.
If that's the case, then you've achieved a stiffer chassis without adding all the parts needed for the bracing system (since the largest part of the system, the bumper brace, is already there); which means less added weight. This is good.
Can't wait to see that article to see how much gain is actually achieved.
BTW, don't H-braces achieve similar results?
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here you go buddychimchim said:
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FRAME LOCK GETS TESTED AT A MEET!! CLICK RIGHT HERE
I was at the annual ClubSi NmS this year and the product was demo and tested out there, there is some review from people tryin it out
HONDA TUNING ARTICLE!!! <-- click that for a link to some scanned pix of the Framelock review in honda-tuning
Thanks for the link.
The credibility is climibing. The article seems to confirm what I said in my previous post.
The frame locks use the bumper beam in a manner it wasn't designed to. That's not necessarily bad, it's only adding to the structural rigidity, not replacing it; so I'm not concerned safety wise.
However, since the bumper beam was never intended for chassis stiffening, I'm wondering if it just happens to be strong enough. Due to it's shape, and the axis of the stress, it would seem that it should be ok. I'd like to seem some hard core autocrossers let us know what happens with frame locks after some long sessions of flogging. Performance wise, I'm sure it helps. But I'd like someone to examine their frame after the autox flogging sessions.
The other thing (that was mentioned by someone else) is that in a front or rear collision, frame locks alter the behavior of the bumper beam. The bumper beam is meant to take the first impact. By locking it to the frame the bumper no longer contributes to dampening the collision. Instead, all collision forces are immediately transmitted to the chassis. Again, this is probably a marginal effect on crush safety, but it does mean that any little 15 mph fender bender you get into will probably cause some frame damage. That's probably worth it on a dedicated autox or racer... but not for a daily driver (unless you like risking body damage when some idiot yapping on a cell phone decides to bump you.)
In the end, it sounds like Korbach has a legit product. But you gotta know what the trade offs are (just like low clearance exast systems, lowered suspension, engine mod reliability, changing your airbag steering wheel to a Momo, etc)
Any autocross experience?
Comments?
The credibility is climibing. The article seems to confirm what I said in my previous post.
The frame locks use the bumper beam in a manner it wasn't designed to. That's not necessarily bad, it's only adding to the structural rigidity, not replacing it; so I'm not concerned safety wise.
However, since the bumper beam was never intended for chassis stiffening, I'm wondering if it just happens to be strong enough. Due to it's shape, and the axis of the stress, it would seem that it should be ok. I'd like to seem some hard core autocrossers let us know what happens with frame locks after some long sessions of flogging. Performance wise, I'm sure it helps. But I'd like someone to examine their frame after the autox flogging sessions.
The other thing (that was mentioned by someone else) is that in a front or rear collision, frame locks alter the behavior of the bumper beam. The bumper beam is meant to take the first impact. By locking it to the frame the bumper no longer contributes to dampening the collision. Instead, all collision forces are immediately transmitted to the chassis. Again, this is probably a marginal effect on crush safety, but it does mean that any little 15 mph fender bender you get into will probably cause some frame damage. That's probably worth it on a dedicated autox or racer... but not for a daily driver (unless you like risking body damage when some idiot yapping on a cell phone decides to bump you.)
In the end, it sounds like Korbach has a legit product. But you gotta know what the trade offs are (just like low clearance exast systems, lowered suspension, engine mod reliability, changing your airbag steering wheel to a Momo, etc)
Any autocross experience?
Comments?
i rear ended a lady going 40mph to a dead stop with these bad boys on.. also a friend of my mine (he use to be on these boards, Team 4r) I got him hooked up with a set...chimchim said:
His Review clicky clicky
also my comment in there about a collision ..
Frogmofo said:
Yes it is worth the 70 smackers! It is also in the issue of honda tuning and they said in there that they didnt think it would make much of a difference but then they took it for a test drive and said it was like night and day. :thumbsup: When I get cash I want one.
This is just an opinion and could be false.
From what the website says and from the pictures of the install it looks like it simply combines the front bumper frame to the body frame. Basiclly its like a strut bar, but instead of connectiong and firming one side axis with another its connecting front to the side. Since civics are front wheel drive cars (which means torque is placed at the front of the car) there is alot of sway in the front of the car. The front strut bar stops sway that is created between the struts (basically where the engine is). This product would stop sway from the front bumper/engine pushing towards the center of the car. The less motion in the chasis the better so it would be an improvement. Just be careful of a crash, it looks just like a steel brace, but if its strong enough not to crumble it will push ur chasis and may cause dammage. Im not really sure how this part will create a better ride quality, i would assume it would just stop your bumper/frame from "bumping up and down" like going over bumps and pot holes. Your car might bottom out more due to this because the bumper/chasis is not moving up with the rest of the suspension. As i said im simply going by what the site says, these are just opinions
From what the website says and from the pictures of the install it looks like it simply combines the front bumper frame to the body frame. Basiclly its like a strut bar, but instead of connectiong and firming one side axis with another its connecting front to the side. Since civics are front wheel drive cars (which means torque is placed at the front of the car) there is alot of sway in the front of the car. The front strut bar stops sway that is created between the struts (basically where the engine is). This product would stop sway from the front bumper/engine pushing towards the center of the car. The less motion in the chasis the better so it would be an improvement. Just be careful of a crash, it looks just like a steel brace, but if its strong enough not to crumble it will push ur chasis and may cause dammage. Im not really sure how this part will create a better ride quality, i would assume it would just stop your bumper/frame from "bumping up and down" like going over bumps and pot holes. Your car might bottom out more due to this because the bumper/chasis is not moving up with the rest of the suspension. As i said im simply going by what the site says, these are just opinions