CuteMustangBro
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Had an Ep3 and loved it, but I look on Youtube and see so few builds. I plan on going NA K24 and AWD. Which is easier to mod as far as value, easy to find parts for, easy to find QA/build tips...?
Ek or EP3?
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Research. Pretty much start there. Search and find any info specific to what you're looking for. Don't know that I've seen any AWD K swaps on here (not saying there are none).
You're obviously going to be using a CRV K24, so you're going to need to find out what you need for the swap.
I don't know why the EP3 is so unpopular, I don't really see many. As far as which chassis you drop the K in, again, just research some builds and see what support there is, who used what.
Let us know what specific questions you may have. I don't know that anyone is going to be able to give you all of the details on an AWD K24 swap into an EK/EJ or EP3 chassis.
You're obviously going to be using a CRV K24, so you're going to need to find out what you need for the swap.
I don't know why the EP3 is so unpopular, I don't really see many. As far as which chassis you drop the K in, again, just research some builds and see what support there is, who used what.
Let us know what specific questions you may have. I don't know that anyone is going to be able to give you all of the details on an AWD K24 swap into an EK/EJ or EP3 chassis.
Puurplehatch
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Personally i dont like the look of the front on ep3, but I love the ek cause I have a few
CuteMustangBro
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Well, in regards to the Ep3 build, I know basically all there is to know in theory because I was getting everything in line for a build on my last Ep3. Turns out that the wheelbase is the exact same as the CR-V and therefor it is very easy to AWD an Ep3, and we all already know that Ep3 comes with K20a3 so a K24 swap should be easy as well.
With that said, I still have never seen Ep3 builds. All the theory of the build is readily available, but the practice is really not. Seems like everyone knows how but know one has actually done it.
My question is, WHY do people use EK's? Should I go EK simply because I would have unlimited references?
OR should I just stick with my year old plan and hit up you guys at ClubCivic.com when help is needed?
CuteMustangBro
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It took me a while to get used to the Ep3 front end, I never liked it either... But I dislikie the EK back end even more.
CuteMustangBro
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On second thought, after further research, I'm sticking with Ep3. When money permits, I will be posting my build for you guys to see. Keep an eye out for my posts. 
People use the 6th and 5th gen chassis because they are more familiar, lighter weight, the suspension layout, and the options for performance.
There are tons of EP3 builds, ephatch.com is the main forum for them.
What's the purpose behind wanting to go AWD? Just because people don't do it, or what? A K20a2, K20A, K24a2, or K20/K24 swap into an EP3 makes a whole new monster out of nowhere without all the efforts of going AWD. You're also going to end up fighting with a lot more drivetrain loss if you go AWD.
I'd go K24 turbo if I had an EP3 like a local guy to me has,
There are tons of EP3 builds, ephatch.com is the main forum for them.
What's the purpose behind wanting to go AWD? Just because people don't do it, or what? A K20a2, K20A, K24a2, or K20/K24 swap into an EP3 makes a whole new monster out of nowhere without all the efforts of going AWD. You're also going to end up fighting with a lot more drivetrain loss if you go AWD.
I'd go K24 turbo if I had an EP3 like a local guy to me has,
That's my motor right there! Hahaha.People use the 6th and 5th gen chassis because they are more familiar, lighter weight, the suspension layout, and the options for performance.
There are tons of EP3 builds, ephatch.com is the main forum for them.
What's the purpose behind wanting to go AWD? Just because people don't do it, or what? A K20a2, K20A, K24a2, or K20/K24 swap into an EP3 makes a whole new monster out of nowhere without all the efforts of going AWD. You're also going to end up fighting with a lot more drivetrain loss if you go AWD.
I'd go K24 turbo if I had an EP3 like a local guy to me has,
Seriously, AWD is balls. You can just feel the power running away, it sucks. Not to mention the issues you run into with tires and differentials. Just a pain in the balls.
Boost a K24 and slap some fat stickies on the front.
CuteMustangBro
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Well mainly, yes... I've spent countless hours loking for an AWD EP3 build and found not ONE, ephatch.com included, which is so surprising to me considering how easy it would be to do. I see tons of 10sec EG's and EK's... Imagine how much better time these guys would get with AWD. Right? Ep3 is about 500lbs heavier than EG, the AWD should compensate in my eyes. Like a Civic vs. an WRX... A lot more work is gonna go in to the Honda just to keep up with stock Subaru.People use the 6th and 5th gen chassis because they are more familiar, lighter weight, the suspension layout, and the options for performance.
There are tons of EP3 builds, ephatch.com is the main forum for them.
What's the purpose behind wanting to go AWD? Just because people don't do it, or what? A K20a2, K20A, K24a2, or K20/K24 swap into an EP3 makes a whole new monster out of nowhere without all the efforts of going AWD. You're also going to end up fighting with a lot more drivetrain loss if you go AWD.
I'd go K24 turbo if I had an EP3 like a local guy to me has,
Also looking to go NA. If I do charge I wanna go combo with medium SC feeding big turbo. Do it right or not at all is my thing.
CuteMustangBro
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Really? I guess I've never heard the downsides of AWD. Maybe I'll have to look into it more, but I am most likely gonna see it as an obstacle to overcome rather than a dealbreaker. Really have my heart set on this build.
AWD will hurt in the top end for a Honda, and the top end is where Honda engines make their best power lol. You'll be defeating yourself. Like you said, there's plenty of 10 second EGs and EKs, and it's because of the power to weight ratio, not drivetrain. AWD will add to the hurdles you already have to overcome with an EP3.
Don't let any of us steer you away from your project, it sounds like a cool idea, it just isn't very practical. Consider the majority of fast AWD cars. They either have AWD with the majority of power shifted to the rear, or a point where it all shifts to RWD at high speed like the R34 Vspec skylines. AWD helps with that initial grip, so I could see that helping a FWD Honda out, but it'd be just as useful to have slicks and some good feet on the pedals.
Don't let any of us steer you away from your project, it sounds like a cool idea, it just isn't very practical. Consider the majority of fast AWD cars. They either have AWD with the majority of power shifted to the rear, or a point where it all shifts to RWD at high speed like the R34 Vspec skylines. AWD helps with that initial grip, so I could see that helping a FWD Honda out, but it'd be just as useful to have slicks and some good feet on the pedals.
You also need to compensate for the added weight of the AWD setup, a driveshaft and rear is going to add a good bit of weight also. Expect your car to be close to tipping the 3'000lb mark
CHILD has a good point there. Also, if you're going to be tracking it, an AWD will help you get a good launch from a dig, but on the highway, the power transfer is garbage. Getting power from rolling starts in AWD sucks.
I also think it would be a neat build, I just think these are things you should take into consideration when building and if you can clear these hurdles, you'll have a badass setup.
CuteMustangBro
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Tell you guys what... I appreciate the input. I think you guys are right, I may go ahead and build up the engine to start and if I DON'T make an all motor monster, I will convert to AWD later. (I'm not gonna keep FWD if I can't even compete with these beasts at the track.) I'll try my luck at creating an off-road Civic.
Anyway, the thread was started to decide what car to get. I don't even have one yet. Will post a permanent thread the day I bring my Ep3 home.
