What up fellas? I have a 98 hatch and am getting ready to do a swap. Im willing to drop at least 3 to 4g's into the swap but want to make sure i do the right one...Let me give you some info first. I want a daily drive w/some balls. Dont want to race it or anything just want a fast car. OK, well maybe a little street race here and there but nothing major. I mainly sit in traffic when im driving so the racing will be limited. I hear i can easily do a B16,18 or even an H22. From what i understand the prelude engine is the most bang for the buck. My concern is tracking one down with low enough miles that im not overhauling that s**t in 2 years...is it hard to find a newer prelude motor? in my price range? any suggestions or leads would be much appreciated. Thanks
Engine Swap Suggestions
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You could try doing a CR-VTEC swap. I seen the B20B motor going for $725. That's just the motor, then you have to get a B series tranny any B series tranny will bolt on to the motor but the GSR tranny will be better for it's shorter gear ratios. You could probably get one for as cheap as $400 depends on where you look. Then of course you need the VTEC cylinder head I'm not to sure which one would be best but it think the B16 cylinder head should bolt right on, either that or the GSR cylinder head. Cylinder heads usually range from $400-$600 depends where you get them from, that's usually for a complete cylinder head (cam caps, cam shafts, rocker arms, and all the other internals).Then you're going to need the ECU for VTEC engagement,that's probably another $200 again depends where you get it from. And last but not least you have installation, my boy got his LS/VTEC installed for $500. This whole setup would be very reliable and it would give you a lot of lowend torque, good for city driving. I have another friend that has this setup in his car and he's running a consistent 13.1 all motor. It' his daily driver and still has that Honda reliablity, by the way if you had this you would kick a Type R's ass. Your looking at least $1800 for just parts. If you do the install yourself better, if not call around and see what people say. Anyway I highly recommend it.
b18c1 has the most options that come with it..... in my opinion that is the best overall motor you can buy for the money
By the way you a lot more low end and high end power than a B16 or an H22. B16 I think is like 116lbs of Tq and H22 is like 160lb. CR-VTEC minimum of 180lbs of Tq and easily 220hp, you would also still have enough money left over for aftermarket parts, so probably even more HP than what i just told you. You should research it. www.ardperformance.com ]
B18C1 has more tuning your right, but just the motor itself will run well over $2200 w/o installand you still won't get the TQ that you would from an LS/VTEC or CR-VTEC. B18C1 is a sweet ass motor though. Either one is good just depends on how much your willing to spend.
vtecbaby82 said:B18C1 has more tuning your right, but just the motor itself will run well over $2200 w/o installand you still won't get the TQ that you would from an LS/VTEC or CR-VTEC. B18C1 is a sweet ass motor though. Either one is good just depends on how much your willing to spend.
a PROPERLY built crvtec or ls/vtec will always cost more than a regular gsr. parts and labor for ls/vtec rarely fall below $3500-4000 for the swap done right, as the motor needs to be torn down to the bare block and rebuilt. thats a lot of labor and its not cheap.
it's not like he's running 150 shot of nitrous, stock internals would be alright for a daily driver, dude look around the motor is cheap. of course i did say it all depends where he gets the parts from, my boy got a sweet deal, can't say he'd get the same thing though, Just look around if you want something complete, buy the whole motor swap b/c you may have to get parts from different places to completethe CR-VTEC/LS-VTEC.handlebarsfsr said:a PROPERLY built crvtec or ls/vtec will always cost more than a regular gsr. parts and labor for ls/vtec rarely fall below $3500-4000 for the swap done right, as the motor needs to be torn down to the bare block and rebuilt. thats a lot of labor and its not cheap.
B18C (1.8 DOHC V-TEC) GSR
1.8 DOHC 16V VTEC 178HP Honda motor. Direct from Japan. Includes engine, transmission and ECU. Direct bolt in for 94-01 Integra and 92-00 Civic. OBDI and OBDII available.
Engine, 5spd, ECU, Harness, Axles, Shift LInkage, and Mounts for $3495.95
Engine, Auto Trans, ECU, Harness, Axles, Shift LInkage, and Mounts for $2295.95
you live in CA damn thats where all the products i order come from so i'm sure that CA has a lot of good shops but i wouldn't know of any
Yup, sunny CA... And ya, we may have a lot of s**t over here but there are a lot of shady shops out here that will jack you s**t up.. Thats why im trying to get a little more info and leads before i actually invest the cashedhgreatone said:you live in CA damn thats where all the products i order come from so i'm sure that CA has a lot of good shops but i wouldn't know of any
i know, 3500-4000 bucks is with stock internals.vtecbaby82 said:it's not like he's running 150 shot of nitrous, stock internals would be alright for a daily driver, dude look around the motor is cheap. of course i did say it all depends where he gets the parts from, my boy got a sweet deal, can't say he'd get the same thing though, Just look around if you want something complete, buy the whole motor swap b/c you may have to get parts from different places to completethe CR-VTEC/LS-VTEC.
B18C (1.8 DOHC V-TEC) GSR
1.8 DOHC 16V VTEC 178HP Honda motor. Direct from Japan. Includes engine, transmission and ECU. Direct bolt in for 94-01 Integra and 92-00 Civic. OBDI and OBDII available.
Engine, 5spd, ECU, Harness, Axles, Shift LInkage, and Mounts for $3495.95
Engine, Auto Trans, ECU, Harness, Axles, Shift LInkage, and Mounts for $2295.95
obd is on board diagnostics. its the emissions controls systems
jdmciv said:So which one would you need...OBD1 or 2? Why would you need it?
Any car 96+ (US Spec) is OBD2, this means under the dash, engine bay, secondary O2 sensor + a whole lot of other smog equiptment. If you are planing on doing your swap the right way, you can try and find a 96-01 GSR or LS - B18C1 or B18b1 (US Spec) 99-00 Si - B16a2 (US Spec), or You can go with a wide selection of JDM motors...
as far as price your looking at around....
(JDM Swap with Engine, Trans, Axles, Mounts, Wiring, ECU)
B18c (R) - $4000-5000
B18c (GSR) - $3000-4000
B16a (2nd Gen w/Hydro trans) - 1800-2500
B16a (1st Gen w/Cable trans) - 1300-1800
B20 (CRV w/GSR trans) - $1800-2500
H22a (Prelude) $2000-2500 (but you will need HASport or Place Racing Mounts (another $500)
H22a (Euro R) $4000-4800 (still need the mouths listed above)
A USDM swap will usually run a little more expencive, because of smog laws (at least in cali)
If you go with a JDM or OBD1 motor you will need a OBD2 to OBD1 Jumper harness ($100-150) which will make the correct ECU for the engine plug and play (on the interior side). You will also need to splice the USDM harness to the JDM engine harness to get all the sensors hooked up correctly. It sounds confusing, but any shop with a couple swaps under their belt should have no problem. Labor is where alot of shops get customers. The "average" price for a clean install (at least in nor cal) is between $400-700.
-Alex
Off topic, my friend rolled his 99 Si B16a2 (all stock) and has the complete swap for sale $2300
Nice reply, Thanks...2.0l ek said:Any car 96+ (US Spec) is OBD2, this means under the dash, engine bay, secondary O2 sensor + a whole lot of other smog equiptment. If you are planing on doing your swap the right way, you can try and find a 96-01 GSR or LS - B18C1 or B18b1 (US Spec) 99-00 Si - B16a2 (US Spec), or You can go with a wide selection of JDM motors...
as far as price your looking at around....
(JDM Swap with Engine, Trans, Axles, Mounts, Wiring, ECU)
B18c (R) - $4000-5000
B18c (GSR) - $3000-4000
B16a (2nd Gen w/Hydro trans) - 1800-2500
B16a (1st Gen w/Cable trans) - 1300-1800
B20 (CRV w/GSR trans) - $1800-2500
H22a (Prelude) $2000-2500 (but you will need HASport or Place Racing Mounts (another $500)
H22a (Euro R) $4000-4800 (still need the mouths listed above)
A USDM swap will usually run a little more expencive, because of smog laws (at least in cali)
If you go with a JDM or OBD1 motor you will need a OBD2 to OBD1 Jumper harness ($100-150) which will make the correct ECU for the engine plug and play (on the interior side). You will also need to splice the USDM harness to the JDM engine harness to get all the sensors hooked up correctly. It sounds confusing, but any shop with a couple swaps under their belt should have no problem. Labor is where alot of shops get customers. The "average" price for a clean install (at least in nor cal) is between $400-700.
-Alex
Off topic, my friend rolled his 99 Si B16a2 (all stock) and has the complete swap for sale $2300
Where in northern cal are you? Im going out to SF this week. If you're familiar with the area send me a PM on stuff to do. Thanks
never2old said:Nice reply, Thanks...
Where in northern cal are you? Im going out to SF this week. If you're familiar with the area send me a PM on stuff to do. Thanks
I'm about 10 mins south of SF area. Coming up for a vacation? I know the area really well, lived here my whole life hehe. PM me and i'll give you some good tips!
-Alex
don't waste your money on a gsr swap. you can save like 1500 bucks by getting a b16. which you can then invest in a turbo kit or a nice set of sparcos, or even a skyline tail light conversion.