go all motor SOCH or DOCH that is the question..

[ReD_HB_Si_D16z6]

go all motor SOHC or DOHC that is the question..

hey guys, i was wondering if you could give me some advice, to go all motor sohc or dohc? i have a 93" civic hb soch d16z6 i let bullfrog do a headpackage for me and boy im running 13.9 all motor, when i got the headpackage i ran 14.8stright out the headers, but i just traded engines with my friend jdm b16a first generation for a Ls Vtec fully built for turbo and im thinking i should work on my Ls Vtec one by one, and once it is completed dropp it in my hbk and then work on the block of the D16z6 but i think it might be alot of work and one more thing will my b16a cable tranny fit on the ls block?? because the ls/vtec i traded with my friend is a hydralic tranny and im wondering if the cable will fit?? well thanks for you views and comments

 

[ReD_HB_Si_D16z6]

and oh yeah...
if you want to see any pictures of my car just pm me or send me an email ok bye bye..

 

[Team 4R]

dude, is your signature long enough.....?

all motor dohc has more potential...... i can't speak on it, though, cause i don't read posts that have red script.........

 

[Declectic]

welcome to the club

hey tiger, take it easy on your sig bruh... hella mutha phukin long!!

also, how many f**kin headers your got runnin on your b16?? i got one... u sound like you got more....

maybe when im not so tire and more sobered up, ill read this post again and perhaps have some answers/opions/advice whatever for j00

also .. its doHC and soHC not doCH and soCH... just so you dont keep posting that lookin like an idiot

-daniel

 

[Linguistics]

IMO, go dual cam and work from there

 

[BioHazard the Reaper]

yeah dohc....

 

[ReD_HB_Si_D16z6]

sup uhh.... i only got 1 headers, when i head out to the track i dropp out the catalack Coverter. hey dont be hating to my red, haha.... and SEANJOHN1802 i said on my first post that i done traded my b16a for a b18a with b18c head and i was asking yall should i dropp in the Ls/Vtec or go out all single??? alright then im out []Deace

 

[ReD_HB_Si_D16z6]

Damn! 15.6 on the quarter mile man you can do better then that ill bet you 2 hundred dollars if you dropp of the catalack converter and runn all out headers you'll run 15.3 - 15.4 but it all depends on what you done to the car

 

[ReD_HB_Si_D16z6]

i was wondering how do you guys get you pictures on your profile?? and for an icon?

 

[Handlebars]

ok first there big guy, you did not run a 13.9 on a n/a sohc with only a head package. to put a civic into the 13's you need at least 200 whp, and i can guarantee you that a head package does not give you anywhere near that. nor were you running a 14.8 off a stock d16z6. we're not idiots, dont insult our intelligence. second, you traded a stock b16a sir I for a fully built ls/vtec?? sounds like a pretty shitty trade for your buddy there, but whatever. what exactly constitutes "fully built"? if the whole ls bottom end wasnt reworked or replaced, its going to be horribly unreliable, as the b18b bottom end was not made to take the stress of high rpm operation. and if the motor really is built up for turbo, why wouldnt you just turbo it? you'd get a ton more hp than n/a, and if the work is already done for ya, why no do it? as for the cable tranny, yes it will fit, but you need an adapter from www.hasport.com to get it to work in the car. it should bolt right up to the ls block, but the adapter is needed to change the cars hydro clutch into cable.

 

[DOHCDX]

i don't think it's out of the question to run a high 14 with a d16z6 in a gutted hatch. my friend ran a 15.25 with a d16z6 in his 5th gen hatch, and it still had some of the interior in it. my other good friend ran a 15.33 with a d16y7 in an EF.

i also do not think it is unrealistic to see high 13s with the gude head package. the d16z6 is BY FAR the most underrated motor honda ever built. and definitely the best SOHC VTEC ever built

 

[Handlebars]

i find those numbers unrelastic, im sorry. most, if not all of the people running soch motors in the 13's are boosting, and everything i can see is going at least 10-12 psi to see high 13's. i have a very hard time believing that a head package alone can add the same amount of hp as that much boost. now if it was a total engine rebuild, running high compression pistons, lightweight rods, resleeved and race preped crank bearings and a lightweight valvetrain in addition to the head package i could see him running 13's or possibly even 12's, but not on the stock bottom end. you can only mill the head so much, so your pretty much stuck with a 9.5 or less c/r (stock is 9.2), and a bottom end that isnt made to see the high rpm's necessary to make power n/a. the z6 is a good motor no doubt, but its best imo as a turbo motor. i understand that a z6 could run a high 14 in a gutted hatch, but not in an si. those are a lot heavier than the cx/vx, even gutted. 100 lbs equals about a tenth or so in the 1/4 mile. a stock 99 si runs about a 15.2 or so. so for a 125 hp z6 to equal that, it would have to be about 450 lbs lighter than a stock si, which is about what a vx/cx weights (99 si~2600 lbs, vx ~2100 lbs. a stock 93 si is about 2350. so it would need to drop 250 lbs to equal a stock cx, and then drop another 200-300 lbs to run a 14.9. i just dont see where you can drop 500 lbs out of a 2300 lb car, thats all. im not saying your wrong, as with the right whether and track conditions and a good driver its impossible, because it most certainly is doable. im just skeptical thats all, but then again, im skeptical about most things.

 

[Declectic]

Originally posted by handlebarsfsr
so in the 1/4 mile. a stock 99 si runs about a 15.2 or so.

where the f**k are you finding that Si???????? i want my 99 Si to run those times bone stock!!!

btw red hatch, check the sig, 15.6 BONE STOCK dood... thats one time with the catback off... and one time just BONE STOCK...

the 99-00 Civic Si is only rated to run a 15.7 in the ¼ MIle... so... yeah.. where you pull those numbes handlebars??

-daniel

 

[Handlebars]

ive seen runs as low as 14.9 reported, most peeps on h-t and hs are running lower than a 15.6, although ive personally seen runs of 16.0+. i basically gathered up everything ive seen, and gave one of the faster runs. if a stock si really runs a 15.6, that only strengthens my arguement. cars can vary quite a bit from the factory, the weather, driving style, tires, track conditions, etc all have a big impact on times. car and driver puts a 99 si at 15.5, and magazine times are notoriously low compared to actual driving. my number was an estimate, a split second mental average of the times as i rember. notice i added the "15.2 or so" because actual times vary quite a bit.

 

[Declectic]

alrite, okay koo....

well teh given track conditions on the time i ran those 15.6's were very good, it was cool outside .. nice cold air for the intake... grippin like a mo fo too....

i got the 15.7 from www.edmunds.com .... but im just under that tho, stilla 15.6 in my book and not to shabby for a bone stock 4banger

-daniel

 

[DOHCDX]

Originally posted by handlebarsfsr
i understand that a z6 could run a high 14 in a gutted hatch, but not in an si. those are a lot heavier than the cx/vx, even gutted. 100 lbs equals about a tenth or so in the 1/4 mile. a stock 99 si runs about a 15.2 or so

this wasn't in an EK si though. i'm pretty sure he's talking about 5th gens, not 6th.

my buddies EF hatch weighs 2075lbs with him in it! that still had some of the interior in it too. my other friend that ran the 15.2 with the z6 in his EG hatch weighed in at 2125lbs with him in it. if you fully strip the dash, heater crap, AC and any sound deadening, the 5th gens are LIGHT. plus, the gude head package on the z6 dynos in the high 140whp range, that's b16a #s. i have a dyno from gude in front of me that's 147whp, 119wtq. in a stripped hatch, 13s are possible with very good driving.

 

[ReD_HB_Si_D16z6]

damn! you guys are no believing in the SOHC OMFG..... you guys havent heard about the guy with the 89 Crx he has a SOHC and running 10.2 on the 1/4 fully built motor je everything the damn whole motor was built by JE well im shoot itz all good ahah 75 shoot... wellz i just joined clubcivic but ive been in superhonda to damn long got tired and i was just trying to make friends up in clubcivic is dat so hard to ask? and no i aint trying to bull shiet none of you guys y the f**k would i do that??? you wanna see pictures of my car? and engine??? well im outz

 

[ReD_HB_Si_D16z6]

yeahh... i do have a 93" EG civic HBK si D16z6 i have just ordered a block from gude ill still get 50% of my money back once i send in the core no let me see what i run all motor and shooting nitrous but one thing i do not no where to get my bottle filled at haha... yeah i guess imma good drive powershifting 2nd,3rd,and 4th gear... stipped out all the seats, running on nitto 555's 15x6 tires..

 

[JDM James]

dohc !

ReD_HB_Si_D16z6
make your sig shorter.. its damn long and its annoying as hell.

 

[Handlebars]

yes there is a sohc running 10's. problem is, thats not a d series, thats an f23 out of an accord. oops. and its got boost. lots and lots of boost. theres all motor b series engines (and h series too) running faster than the boosted f series. for hondas, dohc is simply superior than sohc, and when all is said and done no one can deny it. thats not to say the d series is hopeless, i probably will build up a d as my first project. its not that i dont believe you, its that im skeptical thats all. ive never heard of a stock d16z6 getting anything into the 14's, nor have i heard of it with nothing but a head package going 13's, thats all.