I drive a turbocharged 95 civic. For fuel management i'm running 450cc injectors and an apexi VAFC controller. It works ok but i don't like how if you're just cruisin and you want to get on it you have to down shift or it will lean out. So what Im looking for is some type of electronic fuel management that uses programmed settings as well as some sort of aftermarket mass airflow sensor. This way you can adjust your fuel according to boost, not just RPMs. Theres got to be something out there right?
Got any fuel management ideas?
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I don't think you understood me. Thats pretty much what I'm running except whats the aem piggy back... its a chip right?jspeczcturbo said:oh and get teh Apex'i S-AFC, it's purpose of it is to control the Air and Fuel mixture, when dyno'd tune with this you'd be alot happier.
Wait... i get what you're saying but I want to get away from fixed settings. I want something that changes its programmable settings according to boost, not fixed ecu settings. basicly like a SAFC that had settings that fluctuated at different levels of boost...jspeczcturbo said:oh and get teh Apex'i S-AFC, it's purpose of it is to control the Air and Fuel mixture, when dyno'd tune with this you'd be alot happier.
AEM is one of the best fuel management systems you can get...but it will put a whole in your pocket. It is a whole new computer system.
Uberdata is the best cost efficent fuel management you can get.. this is just a computer chip, that you burn you information into.
The only sort of fuel management you can get that fluctuates is the AFC's. The rest you just tune and you can turn up the boost anytime, with no problems.
Uberdata is the best cost efficent fuel management you can get.. this is just a computer chip, that you burn you information into.
The only sort of fuel management you can get that fluctuates is the AFC's. The rest you just tune and you can turn up the boost anytime, with no problems.
Thats what nobody that ive talked to even gets. The apexi SAFC and VAFC are pretty much the same thing as programmable chips except that u can adjust it without a computer. The thing is, is that once you adjust it, it stays constant. your vehicle runs according to the settings that are programmed. theres tons of other variables that make a difference and nobody understands it. The biggest thing is the amount of boost that is actually being produced. It doesn't matter what rpms youre at or what youre computer is programmed to, the boost is constantly changing given different circumstances. You can program your ecu all you want but have the time it' your air/fuel mixture is going to be way off.
well I did some research and I found something that might just be what Im looking for. There is a new item made by MSD. It's called a fuel pump booster. It's designed to be used with the MSD hf fuel pump. What it does is senses boost and under boost it raises the voltage of the fuel pump which causes it to increase the fuel pressure. Its like an FMU except its electronic, not mechanical. this just might be what im looking for.
If anyone has any other ideas id be more than happy to hear them.
well I did some research and I found something that might just be what Im looking for. There is a new item made by MSD. It's called a fuel pump booster. It's designed to be used with the MSD hf fuel pump. What it does is senses boost and under boost it raises the voltage of the fuel pump which causes it to increase the fuel pressure. Its like an FMU except its electronic, not mechanical. this just might be what im looking for.
If anyone has any other ideas id be more than happy to hear them.
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only problem with this i see, is that the injectors are still going to flow a certain set rate, by the ecu, not by the fuel pump, which just controls volume and pressure, IMO your best bet is honestly going to be the AEM unit, even my motor on stock block can hit 12's easly with AEM management and dyno tuning, and that's at pushing 10psi of boost, kid at local track has attempted this with success, however he spent a hell of alot of money to do it, and i'm talking near 3k.speedysteve said:Thats what nobody that ive talked to even gets. The apexi SAFC and VAFC are pretty much the same thing as programmable chips except that u can adjust it without a computer. The thing is, is that once you adjust it, it stays constant. your vehicle runs according to the settings that are programmed. theres tons of other variables that make a difference and nobody understands it. The biggest thing is the amount of boost that is actually being produced. It doesn't matter what rpms youre at or what youre computer is programmed to, the boost is constantly changing given different circumstances. You can program your ecu all you want but have the time it' your air/fuel mixture is going to be way off.
well I did some research and I found something that might just be what Im looking for. There is a new item made by MSD. It's called a fuel pump booster. It's designed to be used with the MSD hf fuel pump. What it does is senses boost and under boost it raises the voltage of the fuel pump which causes it to increase the fuel pressure. Its like an FMU except its electronic, not mechanical. this just might be what im looking for.
If anyone has any other ideas id be more than happy to hear them.
you are a moron..
afc and aem EMS is diff kid
afc does nothing.. ems is a full standalone and not the best
cuz motec owns that hahha
GET hondata nuff said
uberdata will get it done and its free but you still need the mod the ecu adn not many know how to use it all that well...
hondata is proven and still better then uberdata
and never compare a piggy back to a standalone
afc and aem EMS is diff kid
afc does nothing.. ems is a full standalone and not the best
cuz motec owns that hahha
GET hondata nuff said
uberdata will get it done and its free but you still need the mod the ecu adn not many know how to use it all that well...
hondata is proven and still better then uberdata
and never compare a piggy back to a standalone
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ding ding, why thank you captain obvious, ofcourse they are different, however they both control air/fuel, just 2 different ways, plus AEM also does more being as it's a replacement ecu, while the S-AFC has only on use.evan2 said:you are a moron..
afc and aem EMS is diff kid
afc does nothing.. ems is a full standalone and not the best
cuz motec owns that hahha
GET hondata nuff said
uberdata will get it done and its free but you still need the mod the ecu adn not many know how to use it all that well...
hondata is proven and still better then uberdata
and never compare a piggy back to a standalone
^^ I didnt call you the moron.. i was talking to the maker of the thread
AEM ems is a standalone. not a replacement ecu
and afc can control a portion of fuel and to a certain extent anything over 550s it cant idle at all
please never put afc in any category near ems or hondata ever again
AEM ems is a standalone. not a replacement ecu
and afc can control a portion of fuel and to a certain extent anything over 550s it cant idle at all
please never put afc in any category near ems or hondata ever again
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lol, ok sorry about taht then.evan2 said:^^ I didnt call you the moron.. i was talking to the maker of the thread
AEM ems is a standalone. not a replacement ecu
and afc can control a portion of fuel and to a certain extent anything over 550s it cant idle at all
please never put afc in any category near ems or hondata ever again
yeah i say uberdata f hondata even if he were to get hondata he would be no better off than getting uberdata they both have to be tuned and he can find a p28 already chipped for a hell of a lot cheaper than hondata and their are people all over the forums that tune uberdata....
go with hondata...again it is proven or go with aem ems unit....take advice from people that actually tuned or have turbo cars......I say hondata and dyno tune so they can tune for partial and full throttle plus hondata has boost option
i have tuned a turbo car with turbo edit, it has support for dual maps with boost you can scale to different sized map sensors boost cut fuel injector sizing vtec control rev limits launch control i have never used uberdata but it has even more functions than turboedit both work just as well as hondata and cost a fraction of what hondata costs but if you really want to waste your money go with hondata...