Harness's without a harness bar

[BlackHopeDC5]

Quoted from here
http://www.soloracer.com/harnessfaq.html

1. Can I use a harness belt without a rollbar or rollcage in my car?
That depends on what you are using your car for, and whether you have rollover protection installed.

For autocrossing, the use of a correctly installed harness belt is generally OK. The speeds are usually slower than street or track driving, and the likelihood of a rollover is small, so rollover protection isn't a huge factor. Rollovers can still happen, so use at your own risk. We feel that the advantages of using a harness belt while autocrossing, outweigh the disadvantages.

Using a harness system on the track without a rollbar/cage in your car is a subject often debated in various car forums. Obviously you are better off if you have some sort of rollover protection, but many experts believe a PROPERLY installed and approved racing harness is OK for use at track days even without rollover protection. Many drivers think the greatest cause of serious injury in a rollover incident is being crushed by the roof, but this is myth.... actually, the greatest cause of injury is either the driver falling down on the roof at the end the incident, or body parts coming out of the side window. Very few injurys are caused by a roof collapse

Having a roll bar is definatly safer but that doesnt mean not having one is as unsafe as everyone makes it

You are more prone to falling out of your seat and getting f**ked up then staying in year seat and getting f**ked up.. Esentially saying that more likely you are to stay pinned in your seat the safer you are..

Here is the second source that i found

http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Safety_at_the_track

Some argue that a full harness without a rollbar is more dangerous than a stock 3pt belt. They claim that in a rollover that you'll end up supporting the weight of the car on your head which I'm told is a fatal exercise. However, statistically, the most likely accident is an angular frontal collision and a full harness is hands down safer than a 3pt system in this much more common scenario. Safety is a statistics game so if you play the odds, you'd put in the harness.

Mounts for these belts are available from many sources. There are probably 3 kinds of mount:

 

[2nedhnda]

Ive always known this, just kept it to myself so as not to get flamed by "them" lol........cousin has his bolted to the floor behind his seat, the anchors go all the way through the floor.

 

[BlackHopeDC5]

just make sure the belts are at a 45-90 degree angle

 

[NOFX]

So it's only a problem if you fall out of year seat then...

 

[BlackHopeDC5]

So it's only a problem if you fall out of year seat then...

according to the faq. the most injuries occur when you leave your seat......

 

[NOFX]

according to the faq. the most injuries occur when you leave your seat......

I know that. I'm making fun of your typo.

 

[BlackHopeDC5]

I know that. I'm making fun of your typo.

added another source

 

[oc_civic]

statistics.. sure.. but why even run the risk.. i dont think anyone here ever argued that going 50 mph in an empty parking lot with a harness on was super dangerous.. its probably not... the likelyhood of flipping your car at an autox event is probably minimal to 0.... so using any APPROVED (fia, sfi, or other approved accepted santioned body) harness system would more than likely be fine as logn as installed at the proper angle.... but i WILL say this..they say statistics this and statistics that.. i KNOW first hand someone who was in an accident and had he NOT had a roll cage and JUST had his harness on would probably be dead... he rolled his race car (on the street) and the roof completely colapsed TO the roll cage... had the cage not been there the roof would have continued to colapse.. it was literally crushed onto the cage.. theres really nothing to debate.. the cage saved his life.. and NO no one knows that for sure.. its not "proveable" but i saw the car... and i completely believe that without that main hoop the roof would have collapsed...

i mean this is the second time you brought this up.. and i dont really see what you are trying to prove.. if you are trying to prove that driving around on the highway with some random harness purchased online without a roll cage is safe.. i simply can not agree with that...

 

[BlackHopeDC5]

statistics.. sure.. but why even run the risk.. i dont think anyone here ever argued that going 50 mph in an empty parking lot with a harness on was super dangerous.. its probably not... the likelyhood of flipping your car at an autox event is probably minimal to 0.... so using any APPROVED (fia, sfi, or other approved accepted santioned body) harness system would more than likely be fine as logn as installed at the proper angle.... but i WILL say this..they say statistics this and statistics that.. i KNOW first hand someone who was in an accident and had he NOT had a roll cage and JUST had his harness on would probably be dead... he rolled his race car (on the street) and the roof completely colapsed TO the roll cage... had the cage not been there the roof would have continued to colapse.. it was literally crushed onto the cage.. theres really nothing to debate.. the cage saved his life.. and NO no one knows that for sure.. its not "proveable" but i saw the car... and i completely believe that without that main hoop the roof would have collapsed...

i mean this is the second time you brought this up.. and i dont really see what you are trying to prove.. if you are trying to prove that driving around on the highway with some random harness purchased online without a roll cage is safe.. i simply can not agree with that...

Personally i feel more comfortable just wearing the regular seatbelt... Only time i wear the harness is during auto-x..


All i am saying is that statistically you are more prone to getting into an accident where a harness saves (keeps you from falling out your seat during a roll and after a roll) , then when a harness kills you (the roof colapses on you such in the case that *would* have happened to your friend.

Saftey is about a gamble.. the chances a air bag will save you are greater than them hurt you
the chancee a harness without a roll cage are greater than with out harness'es at all




Of course your setup is most safe

 

[oc_civic]

Personally i feel more comfortable just wearing the regular seatbelt... Only time i wear the harness is during auto-x..


All i am saying is that statistically you are more prone to getting into an accident where a harness saves (keeps you from falling out your seat during a roll and after a roll) , then when a harness kills you (the roof colapses on you such in the case that *would* have happened to your friend.

Saftey is about a gamble.. the chances a air bag will save you are greater than them hurt you
the chancee a harness without a roll cage are greater than with out harness'es at all




Of course your setup is most safe

i guess thats part of the issue.. im somewhat stubborn.. i see the best way to do something and then it is hard for me to look past that to other options.. as i said.. for autox.. sure.. i think its totally reasonable? but for anything less controlled or higherspeed.. probably not a good idea.. i didnt mean to sound cocky if i did.. its just with safety s**t.. i think im pretty stubborn