my em1 turbo build list, opinions please

[maxum17ft]

ok, first off im gonna say i read through the stickies and have built a turbo kit from scratch before for my lancer. the following list is what i will be buying to turbo my si, im kinda new to honda's and i really want your opinions on the things im picking out. im not looking to make insane power, and im not looking to spend a life savings here, BUT what i am looking for is a semi-reliable kit that my stock engine can handle til 2008 when i have a job w/ the government and can afford a rebuild. my si has 53,000 miles and wasnt abused, and i plan to put about 20,000 more miles on at around 7psi before i rebuild. so here is the list, lemme know if im missing anything, or if you think a better part/choice is available.


jcwhitney custom turbo piping---------------------75 shipped
JRC stg 4 or 5 fmic-------------------------------170 shipped
- P28 ECU---------------------------------------/-130 shipped-------------BOUGHT$50
- UBERDATA--------------------------------------/-FREE--------------------BOUGHT$FREE
- moates.net chip burner------------------------/-85 shipped--------------BOUGHT$94
- OBD2B-OBD1 Conversion Harness-----------------/-80 shipped--------------BOUGHT$76
- moates.net uber chip kit----------------------/-23 shipped--------------BOUGHT$24
- datalogging usb cable-------------------------/-30 shipped--------------BOUGHT$31
- DSM 450cc injectors---------------------------/-50 shipped
- OBD1 Injector Clips---------------------------/-15 shipped
- Resistor Box----------------------------------/-5 shipped
new copper si gaskets-----------------------------40 shipped
dual pilar guage pod------------------------------30 shipped
dual guage cluster pod----------------------------35 shipped--------------BOUGHT$34
tunertoys.com oil line kit------------------------80 shipped
geddy egt, autometer boost guage------------------170 shipped
walbro 255lph hp fuel pump------------------------100 shipped
tap kit for oil pan-------------------------------12
20w50 dino oil------------------------------------17
misc. vac and fuel lines--------------------------10
ebay spal slim fan--------------------------------55 shipped
ngk plugs gapped to .030--------------------------12
innovate xd-1/lc-1 wbo2 kit-----------------------400 shipped-------------BOUGHT$372.98
turbonetics T3/T04e-b turbo-----------------------580 shipped
tial 38mm wg--------------------------------------175.99 shipped
greddy rs bov-------------------------------------110 shipped
marclb@telus.net full race knockoff mani----------250 shipped
ebay xs hks style dp------------------------------130 shipped

total cost SO FAR: $2,769.98, i say so far cause u know that number is never right.
cost to go: $2,006

if you dont like something, u dont have to tear me a new a-hole, just tell me what u think is better for about the same price, thanks in advance.

i wasnt sure if this was the forum to post this, but if it aint, sorry mods.

 

[Evan.]

looks good to me, i just finished turboing my EJ8 and that list looks almost exactly the same (except diff turbo), other than that, basically exactly the same, i just got the lc-1 wideband from innovate and go to install it tomorrow ...good luck with the build

 

[maxum17ft]

thanks for the gl, im gonna need it. im glad to hear the list i have is like yours, atleast thats good news. the lc-1 is a very nice tool to have, i suggest u look into the lma-3 aux-box, thats what i plan to get next, and it does work w/ the lc-1, even though on the site it says its for the lm-1. anybody think i should change anything or have any comments please post up.

 

[Evan.]

just a couple other random things that caught my eye:

1. you could get your charge piping ALOT less at jcwhitney. (www.jcwhitney.com - search mandrel bends)
2. sell the emanage, cause for 220 bucks you could easily use uberdata and obd1
- P28 ECU Chipped ~ Not quite sure (i got mine for 90 bucks, but ive seen there anywhere from 130-150)
- OBD2-OBD1 Conversion Harness ~ 50
- datalogging cable ~ 23
- DSM 450cc injectors ~ 50
- OBD1 Injector Clips ~ 15
- Resistor Box ~ 5 (mine was free)
So for a lil over 220, maybe 260 (the retail price of emanage) you could have a way more complete and overall better setup, thats the way to go imo.
3. Don't waste your money on the boost dependent fpr, just get an adjustable one from b&m, which does all that u really NEED it to, for about 130 bucks less...
4. The dual pillar pod, I got mine for 25 bucks, hopefully your werent actually gonna pay 60...
5. Id get an air/fuel gauge instead of oil temp, esp. with a wideband..youd be able to accurately read you a/f ratio and an egt..that setup = teh sex. (assuming u switched to uberdata)
6. Eh..the money u saved from what i just told you..buy the REAL greddy rs bov, not the ones that sound like s**t

 

[maxum17ft]

thats good info.

1. i already have an a/r guage, its the xd-1 guage from innovate, if u look at my other thread "first pics of my em1 on cc" and u look at my interior you'll see where i have it. its in 6th gen member rides section.

2. thanks for making me see i can do standalone and not crappy e-manage, dam i thought it was a LOT more than 260 to run uberdata

3. dammit i didnt know jcwhitney woulda been cheaper, and i didnt know the b&m s**t was adjustable.

4. no, i wasnt paying 60 for the pillar pod, them prices are basically just guess the once i buy the s**t im editing with the price i payed.

5. i actually hadnt decided on the bov YET, what u think sounds the sickest.

thanks a TON, u just saved me some big money bro. im gonna go search for parts and prices and update my original list.

also, how much is uberdata itself, and is what u listed all i need?

 

[Evan.]

In response:

Its ultimately up to you what bov you get..everyone has their opinions, on my 6th gen I have the real greddy rs and I love it. I would go get a sound clip for you, but im hella lazy, . Anyways, the only thing I really have to say is avoid the cheap ebay ones...ive only bad reviews about em, functionality and sound. IMO, I like greddy the best when it comes to bovs, but turbo xs makes some nice ones too. If your going for purely functionality, then id go HKS SSQV. But if you want a nice sound too, then either greddy or turbo xs. If cheap is your way out, then go with a dsm bov.

Uberdata. The program itself is free. You can download from uh...uh...cant think of the website off hand (go to google and search uberdata). As far as parts..to run uberdata all you need is the following:

P28 or P06 ECU (Chipped)
OBD2-OBD1 Conversion Harness]
Datalogging cable

Thats it really, the only reason I listed injectors earlier was cause that was the route I went. Of course you can do V-AFC or an FMU or whatnot, but with uberdata most ppl do bigger injectors cause its the smartest route. So then a continuation of the list:

DSM 450cc Injectors (in my case 460cc off an rx7 - basically u need bigger injectors)
OBD1 Injector Plugs
Resistor Box

And then your set..lets see..a good place to look for stuff is www.hondamarketplace.com (I found an authentic greddy rs bov for $100 shipped). Oh and btw, in response to your first post, I had foggies on before I did the kit and It didnt work with my charge piping, so right now theyre off and will be - until I change my setup. Feel free to ask any more questions that you might have..

 

[Shiznit]

instead of getting a p28 look for a obd1 p72, that ecu will be better for your car since you have a B-series

 

[maxum17ft]

wow, thanks for the replys. you've helped a lot, even more than u think, for the past hour or so i've been researching uberdata, i think im definatly going w/ it.

only other question i got is:
do i need a chip burner? or once the ecu is "chipped" do i just need the datalogging cable to burn new .bins.
in other words, how can i tune the ecu if i dont have a burner?

 

[Shiznit]

you need a burner, or go to a dyno theyll be able to do it for you also. but if you tune yourself you need a chip burner

 

[maxum17ft]

dam, anyone know what the best, and cheapest chip burner is?

i tune myself, actually i tuned my lancer & gsx damn near perfectly w/ my wbo2 kit.

 

[Shiznit]

http://search.ebay.com/eprom-programmer_W0QQbsZSearchQQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfposZQ5AIPQ2fPostalQQfromZR10QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQfstypeZ1QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsacatZQ2d1QQsadisZ200QQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslcZ2QQsbrftogZ1QQsofocusZbs

 

[maxum17ft]

ok, i have been searching all afternoon on uberdata/chrome etc., it appears to me it is VERY hard to tune them.

now aside from it costing over 300 to get everything needed, i dont have the time to learn how to tune it or the extra money to get it tuned, plus i plan to keep upgrading and want to be able to tune myself when i do. in ither words i dont wanna have to spend 3-400 everytime i want a new tune, AND IF i learned myself how to tune uberdata, i dont wanna have to be ripping the ecu out and plugging a new burned chip in until i get it tuned the way i want, emanage is only software, no hardware adjustments, hence easier.

if i were to get the obd-1 ecu, dsm injectors, obd-1 clips, resistor box, and obd2>obd1 conversion harness and keep my emanage, wouldnt that work almost as well? i mean i can tune ignition and a/r w/ the emanage, EASILY, and since its obd1 i can tune for low and high throttle w/out the ecu resetting. so whats the disadvatage of using the emanage i already have?

 

[Evan.]

Okay heres the best setup..imo at least:

You have a wideband o2 and a/f gauge to monitor your a/f ratio. So you get a wideband and then you know if your running lean or rich.

Then, you have uberdata to change the settings to get your a/f to the optimum amount. Example: If your wideband and a/f gauge are telling you that your running rich, then you go to uberdata and burn a new chip saying lean the injectors out more until you get the ultimate setting..

And then you can be damn near perfect..

 

[Shiznit]

if you already have emanage, then i wouldnt get uberdata, i was under the impression that you were in search of one

 

[maxum17ft]

if you already have emanage, then i wouldnt get uberdata, i was under the impression that you were in search of one

bump, almost TAX RETURN time, and y not get uberdata instead of emanage?

 

[Evan.]

IMO, uberdata > emanage, but emanage will do just as an engine management system, if you already have it, theres no point in going through the hassle of getting uberdata, its just if you didnt have anything to begin with than uberdata would be >.

 

[Shiznit]

bump, almost TAX RETURN time, and y not get uberdata instead of emanage?

are you asking me? you should be asking yourself that... if it were me i would sell the emanage and use the money to get an ecu chipped and a obd converter

 

[maxum17ft]

ok so i did some more reaserching and found out how to use uberdata from this guy:
http://home.mn.rr.com/keebler65/honda/tuning.html
it is AWESOME and is super user friendly, thanks SHIZNIT, AND SK8SHORTY for making me see uberdata is wayyyyyyyyyy better than emanage. i already made a base turbo map and modified the stock n/a map too.
i cant wait to buy this stuff and mess wit it, and its only gonna cost me about 280 for EVERYTHING, my buddy has a spare p28 and might be giving it to me for a sweet deal!!! my tax return is gonna buy the rest of the electronics.

i was under the impression it was harder and more expensive to burn chips and i thought they had to be resoldered in EVERY time u burn a new one, but DAMN i was wrong. this is awesome, just like hondata for under 300 bucks total.

 

[Shiznit]

if you get your ecu socketed you only have to solder once. gl let us know how it goes

 

[maxum17ft]

http://www.moates.net/product_info.php?cPath=25_37&products_id=42
u mean a socketing kit like this?

dam, how do u always reply so fast? thanks for helpin out bro. believe me i'll keep you all informed.