Jay no biggie, but, thankyou. my ladie doesnt like that photo much either, so i GOT IT when she saw it! Anyway i think i will stick with my oem lip. i looked at some CTR replicas and they looked crummy. Next Q-how much can i drop my car before i need camber plates? its already -1.5" how much more can i go? i really love the look of civics that the tire and wheel well are even. i still have a inch or two. thnx all and jay, i hate to say it but my wife thinks she looks dragqueen to. Ill put one up that she likes, wait, no, this is a car fourm!