my plan. please tell me what you think.

[lonewolf]

The first step to any project is a plan - so heres mine.

I am looking for a fast(er) daily driver, fast street and maybe track/drag. 170whp+, but im mainly after more torque. Looked at supercharger but that only gives +30whp and +11wtq.

Currently i have a 96 DX d16y7 non vtec with K&N induction, a universal axel back and a B&M short shifter. Thats it.

My plan:
Short term (within 2 months): MINIME swap incl intake mani, exha. mani/cat, big brakes, suspension;
Med term (4-5 months): p&p, programmable ECU(hondata? maybe), exhaust (catback for a turbo) ;
Long term (6+ months) Greddy turbo, engine sleeve, rods, valve job (vales,springs, retainers).

Does that sound OK? i hear that vtec makes timing more difficult for the turbo setup, but it has a much higher flowing head - is it worth doing the swap?

are any of the first/second plans going to adversly affect the turbo setup?, running 7-8psi do i really need the sleeving and/or valve job?

 

[evan2]

i dont know enough about the d series or mini me, so i say go b series haahah
big brakes are a waste of money.... just upgrade to bigger n better honda oem discs, i figure you have drums in the rear
get discs and some good pads
bigger mc if you can
depending on how much power you want to make, a exahust for turbo ona na car is going to hold you back
depending on the size, i would boost then do exhaust

why get hondata before you really need it, its really turbo and hondata same time
with fuel mods

7-8lbs you dont really need to build but the motor will last longer

rods n pistons... the head you dont have to work it just depends how much higher you want to rev

vtec n boost is the win, its just that a few years back we didnt have things like uber and hondata or ems
and it was a tad harder to tune so people get this misconception that its hard

boost loves vtec trust me, i had a gsr-t
plus most vtec heads do outflow non vtec ones

the zex cam is a winner for d series and boost

if you are going to pp the head might as well do everything at once

you are spreading related items apart over time

greddy is weak and 170whp isnt that much but still nice

if you build the block and get a good turbo you coul dmake 300whp with good tunning
id set your goals higher because with items listen its not cheap and you will make way more then 170

 

[civicsi94]

yeah. u can hit 170 all day with a greddy turbo kit. why 170? I u just want 170 save up for a gsr swap and your done. But if u want a turbo it will take time, money, tuning,and patience.

 

[671]

U could get more than 170hp on a D16 check Turbod16.com as for my I'm shootin for 250hp on my d.

 

[1sckcvc]

The first step to any project is a plan - so heres mine.

I am looking for a fast(er) daily driver, fast street and maybe track/drag. 170whp+, but im mainly after more torque. Looked at supercharger but that only gives +30whp and +11wtq.

Currently i have a 96 DX d16y7 non vtec with K&N induction, a universal axel back and a B&M short shifter. Thats it.

My plan:
Short term (within 2 months): MINIME swap incl intake mani, exha. mani/cat, big brakes, suspension;
Med term (4-5 months): p&p, programmable ECU(hondata? maybe), exhaust (catback for a turbo) ;
Long term (6+ months) Greddy turbo, engine sleeve, rods, valve job (vales,springs, retainers).

Does that sound OK? i hear that vtec makes timing more difficult for the turbo setup, but it has a much higher flowing head - is it worth doing the swap?

are any of the first/second plans going to adversly affect the turbo setup?, running 7-8psi do i really need the sleeving and/or valve job?

you can run 8psi on stock internals...do the minime swap regardless. Dont bother getting hondata unless you get a turbo kit first. Hondata will take care of your timing so dont worry about that. If i was you i wouldnt worry too much about building up the top end like valves springs retainers if you're gonna boost. If anything build your bottom end...get your block sleeved with some srp pistons etc. block guard arp head studs. the only plan that i see that you shouldnt do first is hondata before turbo. but make sure you get it dyno tuned. if you dont know how to tune it correctly you can really fuxor some s**t up.

 

[1sckcvc]

if you build the block and get a good turbo you coul dmake 300whp with good tunning
id set your goals higher because with items listen its not cheap and you will make way more then 170

you're gonna need a fatass wallet to hit 300whp with a d16.

 

[1sckcvc]

unless you're gonna build up your motor like a mofo i wouldnt get hondata...get your ecu chipped and tuned with uberdata. or just run 440 rc's with afc hack. there is tons of people here in vegas with 12 second cars running afc hack with 450cc dsm blue tops. cheap and very effective. unless you wanna break records

 

[evan2]

afc hack is weak, what a waste
uberdata is ok because its free but ondata owns it
though it cost

its not a grip to get a d series into 300whp
build bottom boost fuel and tunning my boy makes over 300
hesgot pistons n rods but when cheap and got a block guard
needless to say i yell at him.. he still made over 300whp

hes air force like me cept he got wife n kids
so you dont have to be rich

 

[lonewolf]

Hey thanks for all the help. Really appreciated.

i hear traction is a big problem for 300whp as a daily driver. That’s what is concerning me about going to high.

I’m aiming for 170-200 initially, but when that isn't fast enough anymore then with a turbo it should not be difficult to get more out of it. If I put the money into a gsr swap then I am stuck with the 170 and have to put a turbo on anyway.

Also I just want a turbo. You just can’t beat the sound of turbo spooling up, and the psssttt of the dump valve.

This is my first project on my first car so I am a bit noobish and uncertain about doing this. (I know it will all work out in the end, but even so...) No I am not doing the install myself – I have a local import tuning centre who specialise on Honda. The owner has a RSX turbo, before that he had a ITR powered EX. They know their stuff down there.

Again thank you for all your advice and patience with me.

gonna checkout turbod16.com now

lonewolf

 

[1sckcvc]

yeah afc hack is weak...take it from the thousands of people that have 12 second cars that never skip a beat and run afc hack with cheap ass dsm injectors. saying its a waste is just an ignorant ass comment. but anyways, its harder to get 300whp than you think. id like to see a dyno slip and list of mods of the so called 300whp d series your homeboy has. you can up the boost to 20 psi hit a dyno not blow your s**t up, hit the 300 whp mark and turn it back down to 8-9 psi. here is a setup one of my homeboys run..
D16Z6 red line at 8200.

Turbo SC50 .63ar
Lovefab sst
Benson block
CP 9.1 pistons
Eagle rod
Crower spring and ti-retainer
Supertech .5mm os valves
Stock cam
ported head
Y8 manifold
Moroso pan
Msd SCI + blaster coil
Padawan power steering removal kit
Precision 680cc
Greddy IC
HKS ssqv
SM enginnering vacuum manifold
Hondata HG
AEM EMS
Home made oil cooler
Tial 38 mm WG
3 inch exhaust and 2.5 inch DP
Magnaflow resonator
20 psi.......

Dyno result 286.9 whp at 7750 ... with 202 of torque.
Put tons of money and time and still hasnt hit 300whp at 20 pounds....keep telling me 300whp isnt hard on a d16 and ill keep laughin my ass off kid.

 

[1sckcvc]

heres a picture of the setup i just listed in my previous post...its a f**kin beast. Im callin bs on this threads OVER 300whp claim.

 

[1sckcvc]

my bad for the lazy ass who cant copy paste...

 

[stealthy]

get a gsr swap or ls running 8lbs of boost and you'll be set on your goals and probably save money, or atleast come close to your original plans with your d series, thats just what i'd do

 

[evan2]

lol afc hack is old school, omniman thought it up to help others at that date adn time
just like fmu
both are far out dated, if you want to use it then that is fine but 12s nowadays for turbo hondas arent hard to get
many many hondas are doing this

when you learn something about tuning you will understasnd why i said this.