New invention by Körbach wants Drivers to test product

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problem is if you dont like em you get your money back but have holes in your frame...so its like a catch 22
 

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better late than never...i ordered mine early this week using the money i was saving up to install my turbo set up back. doh!!! but i guess i'd rather have better handling than being a bit faster....wait a minute...what am i saying??? awww s***....lol!
 


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i think they're done with the testing for the 96-00 civic and are actually selling it on a regular price now ($225). but i think they're doing the testing for the other imports.
 


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In case anyone wants the photos again, here they are:









 

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^^ NOFX, I would buy these in a heartbeat, but since researching these last summer and discovering their website has all but been abandoned, I haven't seen or heard anything about the Korbachs since then. (I think Billy got the last set.)

Do you know if these are being manufactured again?
 

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hahah yep. i did get the last set. oh nohz! that was back in 2007 and i havent heard anything about them coming back into production yet..

06/02/2007
Jake from Korbach said:
I'm in the process of redesigning our Frame Locks (strictly for
improved manufacturability... function is not affected) and won't have
the new design available for sale for awhile.
 
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I'm surprised these never caused much of a ripple; there's only a few distinct places I've heard about these, and the reviews were all extremely positive....and positively enthusiastic. Wonder why the manufacturer just dropped off the face of the planet; three years is a long time to be in R&D for an aftermarket product meant for a 10-12 year old car.
 

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This is probably why:

"Pros
The management and especially the CEO are incredibly bright individuals who take the time to enthusiastically mentor others within the organization. I learned more working there in a condense amount of time than I did in college. They treated me very fairly in every aspect.

They had a real cool product that made the front cover of a magazine and I like their innovative thinking in engineering and business management.
Cons
Future was unknown because of their one hit wonder. Difficult to really know the future of expansion, so there was risk in staying at a very small company. Ultimately, I bunted and went to a large company with the typical 9 to 5 hours and mundane boring work coming from suits that don't have a clue on how to manage or inspire the young work force. But it is steady. But I miss the fun of working at Korbach.
Advice to Senior Management
Get some investors in to back you up. Use that to leverage the corporation to develop new products and become the next big start up."
 

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Wow! Nice find, Steve. Looking at the date (Jun 29, 2008) is perhaps both a clue as to why the Poster left Korbach and why they're still AWOL.
 

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Thanks. Yeah, I was on google trying to figure out if the company changed names or were bought out so we might be able to buy it from another company. But it looks like they just went under.

Looks like they failed because the were running there shop and R&Ding out of pocket.
 

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There were rumors that these caused more damage during a collision also.

I did manage to find one unfavorable review the other night, but it basically stated that he couldn't feel any change in performance.
 

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There were rumors that these caused more damage during a collision also.

I did manage to find one unfavorable review the other night, but it basically stated that he couldn't feel any change in performance.
after i installed mine I didnt get 15' down my driveway before i noticed the difference. the front end felt much more solid going over little bumps and dips. when the tires travel over uneven terrain the car feels more planted, and when turning into sharp corners (like during an autox) there seems to be less understeer.

i think whoever wrote the review that you read, either has no sensitivity towards the handling of their car, or they wrote the review only to shine negative light on the frame locks for some personal reason

but yes, i've heard the frame locks can increase the damage sustained by your car during a front end collision. they basically lock your bumper support to your car's chassis in which you theoritically lose your 5mph buffer and increase the sensitivity of your airbag sensor. In actuality though, i already had a front end collision with mine after I was rear ended in traffic and pushed into the car in front of me. It was hard enough of a collision to do moderate damage the front bumper of the car that hit me, knock everything in my cubby onto the floorboard, and give me whiplash for 2-3 days. Surprisingly my airbag did not deploy and there was no damage to my front end other than some scuffs on my bumper. Myth busted?
 
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after i installed mine I didnt get 15' down my driveway before i noticed the difference. the front end felt much more solid going over little bumps and dips. when the tires travel over uneven terrain the car feels more planted, and when turning into sharp corners (like during an autox) there seems to be less understeer.

i think whoever wrote the review that you read, either has no sensitivity towards the handling of their car, or they wrote the review only to shine negative light on the frame locks for some personal reason

but yes, i've heard the frame locks can increase the damage sustained by your car during a front end collision. they basically lock your bumper support to your car's chassis in which you theoritically lose your 5mph buffer and increase the sensitivity of your airbag sensor. In actuality though, i already had a front end collision with mine after I was rear ended in traffic and pushed into the car in front of me. It was hard enough of a collision to do moderate damage the front bumper of the car that hit me, knock everything in my cubby onto the floorboard, and give me whiplash for 2-3 days. Surprisingly my airbag did not deploy and there was no damage to my front end other than some scuffs on my bumper. Myth busted?
Far from myth busted.

The bumper beam is supposed to take the brunt of the impact, so it will fold first. Make the front end more solid and it's going to cause more damage. It just makes sense.

I'd say you were just in a lucky accident. I mean, not even scuffs on the front bumper skin says that it couldn't have been that much damage up front anyway.

As far as the other guy who said he didn't see a difference, I don't know, maybe his front end was in general better shape than a lot of the other cars that are using these? These cars are getting old. Bushings wear out, things get lose. It's gonna happen. :(
 

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^^ I'd be more than willing to perform a detailed collision test if somebody was willing to lend me theirs...

;)
 

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Wow, sucks that a company who could come up with such an innovative product didnt have the smarts to stay in business.
 

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^^lol

Edit. vjf hella snuck in during the 2 seconds it took for me to write lol at VSP's post.
 

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well, anyone know a metallurgist? analyze billy's frame locks and make clones!
 

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Well, it's actually a freakishly simple concept and design. They are brackets that are bolted to the frame and to the bumper support and bumper, then bolted together. It wouldn't be too hard to fabricate some up yourself.

The only problem I see is if they are patented. And if so, does Korbach Performance own the patent or does the actual person(s) that created hold the patent and for how long. Because if the company is in fact dead, then anyone and their mom can whip these up and sell them, but if a person holds the patent and the patent is up to date, anyone trying to sell a product under the same concept would have to have a deal with the patent holder.
 


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