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Ok, this is something that has been bothering me since I thought about doing a h22 swap. As you all know, high boost means new piston sleeves, but this is my problem with them.

Why do they cost so much. The only price I can find sleeves for is $700. $300 I can understamd, but $700?!... Is there anyplace that sells them cheaper and is still quality, or is this too high and I need to keep looking.
 

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DAF said:
Ok, this is something that has been bothering me since I thought about doing a h22 swap. As you all know, high boost means new piston sleeves, but this is my problem with them.

Why do they cost so much. The only price I can find sleeves for is $700. $300 I can understamd, but $700?!... Is there anyplace that sells them cheaper and is still quality, or is this too high and I need to keep looking.
i think that the real cost in sleeving is in the installation... i think very few, if any of us.. are capable of sleeving a block properly.. so the purchase price isnt what id be worried about... if you are sweating it, you probably should stray away from a big boost h22
 


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These are sleeves off ebay, if this place was installing them as well, I could see $700 maybe. I'm going with a b20 with quite a bit of boost later this summer, but I'm still ganna have to sleeve it. And I got my father (who is an old hotroder) his unlce (who is a profecinal mechanic with 30+ years) and my father best friend (who can rebuild a 350 v8 with his eyes closed) to help me with my b20 project. They are teaching me a lot.
 

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www.HONDATUNINGmagazine.com


Later-model H-series engines, like our H22A from a '99-to-'01 USDM 'Lude, boast a closed-deck configuration, which increases the motor's appeal to some. In fact in terms of power and compatibility the H22A is considered one of the more coveted engines, making 200 hp at the crank from the factory. It does so with a 90.7mm stroke, 87mm bore, and compression ratio of 10.0:1--which we changed when we opted for the higher domed Japanese Type-S slugs the first time around, upping compression a full point.

In the first installment (Oct./Nov. '02) we noted how thin the stock sleeves were but didn't really get into why they were so thin. The liners are referred to as fiber-reinforced metal (FRM) cylinder sleeves in the Helm's manual, which coincidentally are also used in the 3.2-liter NSX.

Making FRM sleeves goes something like this: First a fiber-based material in the shape of the cylinder sleeve is inserted into the die of the cylinder block. Liquid aluminum is then poured into the die and fuses with the fiber sleeves. Once the block is ready for it, the cylinder walls are machined to the desired bore dimension, leaving only 0.5mm of thickness to the fiber sleeves that cover the cylinder walls.

With the reinforcement the sleeves generate lower friction than traditional iron liners, which translates to improved revolutions, power and reduced wear. In addition the thinner fiber sleeves fortify the block, allowing the distance between adjacent bores to be reduced while maintaining strength and rigidity.

There are drawbacks, however. It can be argued that because they are so thin the sleeves were not designed for too much boost pressure, which limits the potential of the stock engine and poses a challenge for us.

Overboring for more displacement is also out of the question since the sleeves are so lean. Even if you machine-off enough material to avoid breaking through to a water jacket, you still have to deal with the softer untreated metal under the fiber layer. For these reasons it is recommended that H22 sleeves never be bored or honed, always replaced.

Hope that helps.
 


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all go no show said:
i think that the real cost in sleeving is in the installation... i think very few, if any of us.. are capable of sleeving a block properly.. so the purchase price isnt what id be worried about... if you are sweating it, you probably should stray away from a big boost h22
Buy Mahle gold series pistons for your H22. I paid $465 shipped. You do not need sleeves and can boost 20lbs on them. I will be installing mine in the next couple of weeks.
 

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93gsrcivic said:
Buy Mahle gold series pistons for your H22. I paid $465 shipped. You do not need sleeves and can boost 20lbs on them. I will be installing mine in the next couple of weeks.
im going to have to look this up... i dont see how pistons could allow that kinda boost on stock sleeves.
 

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the amount of tuning is limited by the tuning and turbo size. i have seen fully stock motors hold 15lbs but i would highly recomend resleeving expecially if you are looking at going anything above 12lbs. the b20 has very thin sleeves stock.

either pay now or pay alot more later.....
 

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Ill probly pay a little now over alot more later. Thanks guys.
 

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send your block to Benson. the one, the only, the best.
 

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I live near a town called benson, think they will give me a discount for running at that track up there, lol, jk
 


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