Please help !! Hondata or Apexi PowerFC + Commander??

[paagle]

Please help !! Hondata, Greddy EManage or Apexi PowerFC + Commander??

I have my car going in for a complete engine rebuild and turbo installation. Before I get flamed, I wll tell you that I have been on here asking allsorts of questions getting help along the way in choosing parts from other members which is greatly appreciated. Now it is ready for the work to begin. What i have been told is that i need decent engine manegement for this. I have been picking up a hell of a lot during this whole process but as I am new to the world of tuning there are many things still unclear and hopefully you can help me out with the final stage of the upgrade.

I have been recommended to get the Apexi PowerFC with commander by the guys that are doing the work. On here, I have been recommended other ones i.e.

1. Hondata
2. Greddy E-Manage
3. Uberdata

I would like some opinions on this to clarfiy which one I should go for and why so that i can go ahead and make my purchase so any help would be appreciated.

On another note, I have also been asked to find out if it is worth having a "Baffled sump". I cannot find anything on this in other threads so hopefully you can help. I have been told this is to stop the oil in the sump moving too far over when turning corners and hence starving the other end of the bottom. Modifications can be made to stop this happening which is the "Baffled Sump" but need to know if I weill need to do it with mine.

I would also like opinions on what you guys think of the Apexi AVC-R Electronic Boost Controller? I needa boost controller and have been looking at getting this but wonder if it is worth me getting it.

To clarify to those that havent seen any of my previous posts, I have a B16a which is having all of the internals swapped over and compression decreased. I have a t3/t4 turbo going on and have all the relevant parts to perform the task except the engine management and the guages (which i have onlu just purchased).

I am happy to explain in more detail any of the parts etc that I have got but as I have been advised along the way in purrchasing the right parts from members on here I dont think I have gone too far wrong.

Please help !!!

 

[evan2]

well ill say this if your going boost and have someone over there that can tune hondata then get it, you will need a obd1 ecu that is chipped for it as well
hondata comes with the parts or you can just buy a pre chipped ecu

apexi fc is junk imo

make sure you have a tuner available before you mess with it

what is your fuel set up like? new clutch?

they sell baffles that you can weld into your oil pan, its not really needed but nice to have
i think marcus at hell toe now sells the pre cut baffles for b series pans or he will sell you a brand new pan already done but its 200
compared to like 20 bucks for the baffles

just get them and have them tig welded in
search for heel toe automotive on honda-tech.com

 

[paagle]

well ill say this if your going boost and have someone over there that can tune hondata then get it, you will need a obd1 ecu that is chipped for it as well
hondata comes with the parts or you can just buy a pre chipped ecu

apexi fc is junk imo

make sure you have a tuner available before you mess with it

what is your fuel set up like? new clutch?

they sell baffles that you can weld into your oil pan, its not really needed but nice to have
i think marcus at hell toe now sells the pre cut baffles for b series pans or he will sell you a brand new pan already done but its 200
compared to like 20 bucks for the baffles

just get them and have them tig welded in
search for heel toe automotive on honda-tech.com

Ok, one vote to the Hondata!!! The reason why I asked this question was that it will be difficult for me to find a Hondata tuner close to me in the UK but I will have to persists it seems. I have a feeling that I may not need to change the ECU to obd1 as the UK spec B16A2 Vti is slightly different to the US spec Si. I may be wrong but i will conform that. I already have a piggyback ecu which is remapping the fuelling but then will i still need to get the OBD1 and get it chipped? Perhaps i coud get the OBD1 if necessary and stick with my piggyback chip ? I take it the Hondata plugs into parallel with all of this as opposed to replacing the whole ecu as the powerFc was meant to (so i was told !!)

The fuel setup will remain standard as of yet but may increase / change it if is necessary. Not in my current plans.

New Exedy racing clutch and flywheel has been purchased and will be going in.

Sounds good about the weldable baffles. 20 bucks is nice n cheap but would it be an essential part of ths build or just an nice optional extra ??

 

[evan2]

its not needed, I had a turbo gsr and it wasnt on my list of things to do

you are going to need fuel if your going boost bro, 240 injectors will lean out and you will blow s**t up
if you get bigger ones with more fuel you will need a bigger pump

stop your set up now, and get fuel you are goig to need it dude

uberdata is free you just neeed a laptop to tune with, look into that its FERE

 

[banzai]

I have hondata....and 650cc injectors you need some bigger squirters dude. I think even the greddy kit comes with 320's.

 

[paagle]

I have hondata....and 650cc injectors you need some bigger squirters dude. I think even the greddy kit comes with 320's.

Excuse my ignorance but what do i need to get hold of to do this. Just bigger injectors? how about a fuel rail? is there anythign else i will need? i am not sure as i am new to all this and my purchases have been influenced by help that i have been receiving here. Could i get away with just a bigger fuel pump?

 

[evan2]

you will need at least 550s, from what you are donig go with 550s they will be more then enough for what you need right now
a 225lph fuel pump

the rest of your fuel system is ok

you will need something like uberdata or hondata to control the 550s afc is pushing it

 

[paagle]

you will need at least 550s, from what you are donig go with 550s they will be more then enough for what you need right now
a 225lph fuel pump

the rest of your fuel system is ok

you will need something like uberdata or hondata to control the 550s afc is pushing it

I have decided to go the Uberdata route thru reccomendations on here and managing to find a tuner in the UK who can help me. Cost has played a major factor in it too. Thanks for the advice on the fuelling im already looking to buy them for what you have mentioned.

On a final note, what do you think of the Apexi AVCR Boost Controller? a boost controller is the only thing remaining and i am wondering if it is worth me getting this. I have just purchased Greddy Oil pressure and Greddy EGT gauges. I am looking to get the Greddy Fuel pressure gauge but need one for the boost too. From what I understand, the Apexi will allow me to control my boost levels as well as allowing me to monitor it by providing me with a readout hence not requiring a gauge for it, but I need to know if it is worth the money that is costs !!

 

[t04ecvc]

I have decided to go the Uberdata route thru reccomendations on here and managing to find a tuner in the UK who can help me. Cost has played a major factor in it too. Thanks for the advice on the fuelling im already looking to buy them for what you have mentioned.

On a final note, what do you think of the Apexi AVCR Boost Controller? a boost controller is the only thing remaining and i am wondering if it is worth me getting this. I have just purchased Greddy Oil pressure and Greddy EGT gauges. I am looking to get the Greddy Fuel pressure gauge but need one for the boost too. From what I understand, the Apexi will allow me to control my boost levels as well as allowing me to monitor it by providing me with a readout hence not requiring a gauge for it, but I need to know if it is worth the money that is costs !!

The Apexi A-VCR is worth every penny. IF you use it to it full capabilities. I personally use a Greddy profec B spec A. I also use Hondata with 850cc injectors.

 

[ReggieSD]

i have hondata with 550cc injectors...works great.

 

[paagle]

Thanks guys I have decided to go ahead and buy the Apexi AVCR boost controller! For the fuelling side, would i need to upgrade both the fuel pump and injectors or could i get away with only doing one or the other. Obviously it would be better to do both but this is getting awfully expensive now and i need to hold back on some costs!

 

[Handlebars]

avcr sucks. go with uberdata.

 

[paagle]

avcr sucks. go with uberdata.

Oh no!! don't tell me that!! i just bought the AVCR...altho i am still going with uberdata for the engine management....the AVCR for me was really only to act as a glorified boost gauge and controller. Slight overkill I know, but i would prefer this for the additional features it offers. I just hope it doesn't get wasted like my Apexi VAFC has, as it has been programmed to do nuthing !

 

[PBzAllan]

hondata dude