Alright, I have a few questions. First off, about what do they run bone stock? Secondly, the car has about 75,000 miles on it and I am wanting to boost it. Should I have the motor completely rebuilt before doing so? If so, how much will a full b16 rebuild cost? I'm looking to run in the mid to low 12s.
Possibly Buying 2000 Si....
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well first of all b16 is a waste to spend money on.if your going for boost a LS would do.get you a civic ex with or without motor and swap a LS in it and boost it.i bet it would come out cheaper than the si.or get the si sell that silly azz b16 and step up to a 1.8 LS and boost it.thats my advice.all im saying is that a b16 is a bad way to go.everybody will tell you that.so if your going for boost make sure you get a motor with low compression than a high compression motor.youll save lots money and time.
the thing is that the si is expensive just cause its motor.remember he wants to boost.b16 are known to be a joke.so...in my case why spend tons of money on a car that has a b16 motor than just buying a stock dx.lx,ex and do a swap and boost for half the price that he will spend on the si.remember that here in this site in the classified section theres always selling parts for turbo.there youll save money.i bet a dx,lx,ex build it with a swap will come out cheaper than the si.another thing is that with a si youll be catching tons of bad eyes.trust me you dont want that.once a thieve sees is a si,next day its gone.it has happen tons of time here in thins forum.so its best to build a sleeper like a dx,lx,ex with a bad azz 1.8 LS motor and i bet it will catch less bad eyes cause they would think"OH ITS JUST ANOTHER CIVIC".good luck.Tiso said:
Hmm... currently own a 2006 Si that I was sort of wanting to get out from under the large payments. The dealership only has the 2000 Si for what I want. He thought he had a 1998 non-si coupe but he didn't. Guess I'll deny the trade. Didn't really wanna get rid of my 06 anyway.
what a closed minded reponse...B16s are good platforms..I have seen one with a Vortech supercharger that ran 12.4 on street tires and 11.8 on drag radials....ya thats definetly a waste...why would you tell someone to sell there motor and go through all that hassle?...I dont get itDEEGORILLA06 said:
B16'S are not a waste to spend money on. Stock, not the best, especially in an EM1 which weighs way too much for 111ft lbs to push, but it's still a good motor. They come alive with boost, all motor not so much, because of it's size. But there are definitly a LOT of quick b16's out there...to say it's a waste of money is just ignorant.
dude im being realistic.im not being "close minded" thats just the true.plus the keyword here is turbo.are u serious that your going to tell me that a b16 is good for turbo.i dont think so buddy.2kstreetcivic said:
it is for turbo.the key word here is "turbo".damn read .tell me who would put a b16 and turbo it and say thats the best thing to do???i bet they prefer to build a LS or gsr for that matter.b16=1.6 b18=1.8.what would you pick for "TURBO".the point here is why buy a si for tons of money when you could build a dx,lx,ex with a LS or gsr and turbo it for half the price on the si with a b16.Going-West said:
Boosting a b16 and getting more power > going through the trouble of swapping in a slower motor to a si then boosting it to get the same or less resultsDEEGORILLA06 said:it is for turbo.the key word here is "turbo".damn read .tell me who would put a b16 and turbo it and say thats the best thing to do???i bet they prefer to build a LS or gsr for that matter.b16=1.6 b18=1.8.what would you pick for "TURBO".the point here is why buy a si for tons of money when you could build a dx,lx,ex with a LS or gsr and turbo it for half the price on the si with a b16.
As for your "you could build a dx, lx, ex with a gsr..." this thread is not about what should I do to be fast, it's about how he wants an si and what he should do to it. And gsr's are more expensive than b16's
be sure to do a compression and leakdown test before boosting. If you plan on running some big boost numbers and running low to mid 12's definetly will need to stregthen the block, and the pirce varies. best bet is to go around to shops and ask them how much they charge and labor and all that stuff. hope some of this helps. good luck man!Nafunu said:
i know smartazz.my advice is,why get a si for lots of money, instead try looking for dx,lx,ex and do a swap.it will be cheaper and it wouldnt get stolen that quick.thats a good advice.plust if he wants turbo a motor a b16 would be a wrong choice.sooo.im just looking out for him before he regrets it later smartazz.it has happen in this forum or to lots of people in general.they think b16 is good motor,than they find out that its not to strong enough for boost or n/a and they end up swaping either a LS,gsrOR TYPE R.thats why im just telling him reality.Going-West said:Boosting a b16 and getting more power > going through the trouble of swapping in a slower motor to a si then boosting it to get the same or less results
As for your "you could build a dx, lx, ex with a gsr..." this thread is not about what should I do to be fast, it's about how he wants an si and what he should do to it. And gsr's are more expensive than b16's
to be honest i really dont give a s**t what he does or choose.im just letting him know before he regrets it.its hes money anywayz.
DEEGORILLA06 said:i know smartazz.my advice is,why get a si for lots of money, instead try looking for dx,lx,ex and do a swap.it will be cheaper and it wouldnt get stolen that quick.thats a good advice.plust if he wants turbo a motor a b16 would be a wrong choice.sooo.im just looking out for him before he regrets it later smartazz.it has happen in this forum or to lots of people in general.they think b16 is good motor,than they find out that its not to strong enough for boost or n/a and they end up swaping either a LS,gsrOR TYPE R.thats why im just telling him reality.
Turboing a b16 is not a wrong choice, they respond amazingly well to boost
I will agree with you that finding a cheaper civic and swapping is a good advice, but that's not what he's asking for...if he's like, I want to run 12's how should I do it, it would be different.
B16's are more than strong enough for boost, for n/a it's not just b16's, pretty much any small displacement 5 cylinder is not going to be good for n/a unless it rev's to very very high rpm, which is just too expensive for the power output.
Go ahead and keep calling me "smartazz" though, makes you look uber smrt.
uber smrt????i undertsand your point of view but what about if he didnt know much about motors???im just letting him know that he has other options.i could be a d**k and say,yeah boost its good and just build your bottom end!couple of month later,he will be like"damn i got spanked tons of times by other hondas or other vehicle in general".damn i regret bossting a b16.thats what im trying to get him to see.he have to see both sides.Going-West said:Turboing a b16 is not a wrong choice, they respond amazingly well to boost
I will agree with you that finding a cheaper civic and swapping is a good advice, but that's not what he's asking for...if he's like, I want to run 12's how should I do it, it would be different.
B16's are more than strong enough for boost, for n/a it's not just b16's, pretty much any small displacement 5 cylinder is not going to be good for n/a unless it rev's to very very high rpm, which is just too expensive for the power output.
Go ahead and keep calling me "smartazz" though, makes you look uber smrt.
Well, he didn't say that he didn't know much about motors, all he said was that he's looking at an Si and he want's to get it into the 12's...which you can do with boost just as easy as you can w/ a gsr or ls, you just gotta be smart about it. Your opinion is valid, I'm just trying to support b16's because thats what he asked about.DEEGORILLA06 said:uber smrt????i undertsand your point of view but what about if he didnt know much about motors???im just letting him know that he has other options.i could be a d**k and say,yeah boost its good and just build your bottom end!couple of month later,he will be like"damn i got spanked tons of times by other hondas or other vehicle in general".damn i regret bossting a b16.thats what im trying to get him to see.he have to see both sides.
i bought my Si because in my opinion its a good looking car, i got the Si blue, which is my favorite of the three colors and the motor was a bonus..im now building the motor and i love it..i have buddies with turbod b16's and havent had a problem..i think you should deff. get the Si and build on it..good luck with your buy.
I called a well known performance shop when I was thinking of getting the 98 dx and I asked about a b18 or b16 and he said get the b16, the power increase from the b18 is not worth the difference in price. I would build the motor from the ground up and boost it around christmas. Not even sure if i will get rid of my current Si... seems I could go faster for less anyway.
ya I am.....B16s are decent boosting motors and you dont have to screw around with a swap...if you are soo hell bent on swaping, then I would suggest a B18c1 WAY over a LS engine....B18C1 is a much better boosting engine than an LS..DEEGORILLA06 said:dude im being realistic.im not being "close minded" thats just the true.plus the keyword here is turbo.are u serious that your going to tell me that a b16 is good for turbo.i dont think so buddy.