Reasons behind the HID kit crackdown

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Reasons behind the HID kit crackdown
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Daniel Stern on 2003-07-26 at 15:54:19

There's a lot of handwringing going on, and there's a lot of poor-quality information getting tossed around in the wake of the announcement that the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA, the agency under DOT charged with setting and enforcing auto safety standards) is cracking down on the importation and sale of HID "retrofit" kits.

First off, yes, there are problems -- some of them very large and literally glaring -- with the US vehicle lighting regulations. The minimum performance standards for headlamps are pathetic, precisely-formed beam patterns are allowed but not required, red rear turn signals are still allowed, side turn signal flashers are still not required, do-nothing "fog lamps" are allowed and unregulated, etc. This is not to say there are no shortcomings in the rest-of-world European ECE regulations -- there are, they're just different shortcomings!

But, contrary to opinion of late, the HID kit crackdown is not occurring because NHTSA's regulations are antiquated. It is not occurring because of a words-based technicality (no filament in an HID burner so HID conversions are automatically out). It is occurring because HID "conversion" kits are, quite simply, the wrong way to do it.

Undoubtedly, those fascinated by the appearance of an HID headlamp (and others) will disagree, but here are the physical facts of the matter:

These products mainly consist of an HID ballast and bulb for "retrofitting" into a halogen headlamp. Often, these products are advertised using the name of a reputable lighting company ("Real Philips kit! Real Osram kit!") to try to give the potential buyer the illusion of security. While some of the components in these kits are sometimes made by the companies mentioned, the components aren't being put to their designed or intended use. Reputable companies like Philips, Osram, Hella, etc. NEVER endorse this kind of "retrofit" usage of their products. Other "retrofits" come from companies generally known for lighting dreck and schlock -- LED-wafer-on-a-bulb-base "retrofits", cheesy little foggy lites, etc. No matter...the problem with HID retrofits isn't a build-quality constraint; it's an optical-physics constraint.

Halogen headlamps and HID headlamps require very different optics to produce a safe and effective -- not to mention legal anywhere in the world -- beam pattern. How come? Because of the very different characteristics of the two kinds of light source.

A halogen bulb has a cylindrical light source -- the glowing filament. The space immediately surrounding the cylinder of light is completely dark, and so the sharpest contrast between bright and dark is along the edges of the cylinder of light. The ends of the filament cylinder fade from bright to dark. An HID bulb has a crescent-shaped light source -- the arc. It's crescent-shaped because as it passes through the space between the two electrodes, its heat causes it to try to rise. The space immediately surrounding the crescent of light glows in layers...the closer to the crescent of light, the brighter the glow. The ends of the arc crescent are the brightest points, and immediately beyond these points is completely dark, so the sharpest contrast between bright and dark is at the ends of the crescent of light.

When designing the optics (lens and/or reflector) for a lamp, the characteristics of the light source are *the* driving factor around which everything else must be engineered. If you go and change the light source, you've done the equivalent of putting on somebody else's eyeglasses -- they may fit on your face OK, but you won't see properly.

Now, what about those "retrofits" in which the beam cutoff still appears sharp? Don't fall into the trap of trying to judge a beam pattern solely by its cutoff! In many lamps, especially the projector types, the cutoff will remain the same regardless of what light source is behind it. Halogen bulb, HID capsule, cigarette lighter, firefly, hold it up to the sun -- whatever. That's because of the way a projector lamp works. The cutoff is simply the projected image of a piece of metal running side-to-side behind the lens. Where the optics come in is in distributing the light (under the cutoff). And, as with all other automotive lamops (and, in fact, all optical instruments), the optics are calculated based not just on where the light source is within the lamp (focal length) but also the specific photometric characteristics of the light source...which parts of it are brighter, which parts of it are darker, where the boundaries of the light source are, whether the boundaries are sharp or fuzzy, the shape of the light source, etc.

There are more "gotchyas" when pondering halogen-to-HID "retrofits". The only available arc capsules have an axial (fore and aft) arc, but many popular halogen headlamp bulbs, such as 9004, 9007, H3 and H12, use a transverse (side-to-side) and/or offset (not directly in line with the central axis of the headlamp reflector) filament, the position and orientation of which is physically impossible to match with a "retrofit" HID capsule. Just because your headlamp might use an axial-filament bulb, though, doesn't mean you've jumped the hurdles -- the laws of optical physics don't bend even for the cleverest marketing department, nor for the catchiest HID "retrofit" kit box.

The latest gimmick is HID arc capsules set in an electromagnetic base so that they shift up and down or back and forth. These are being marketed as "dual beam" kits that claim to address the loss of high beam with fixed-base "retrofits" in place of dual-filament halogen bulbs. What you wind up with is two poorly-formed beams, at best. The reason the original equipment market has not adopted the movable-capsule designs they've been playing with since the mid 1990s is because of the near-impossibility of controlling the arc position accurately so it winds up in the same position each and every time. There are single-capsule dual-beam systems appearing ("BiXenon", etc.), but these all rely on a movable optical shield, or movable reflector -- the arc capsule always stays in one place.

The OE engineers have a great deal more money and resources at their disposal than the retrofit guys -- if a movable capsule were a practical way to do the job, they'd do it. The "retrofit" kits *certainly* don't address this problem anywhere near satisfaction. And even if they did, remember: Whether a fixed or moving-capsule "retrofit" is contemplated, solving the arc-position problem and calling it good is like going to a hospital with two broken ribs, a sprained ankle and a crushed toe and having the nurse say "Well, you're free to go home now, we've put your ankle in a sling!" Focal length (arc/filament positioning) is ONE issue out of several.

The most dangerous part of the attempt to "retrofit" Xenon headlamps is that sometimes you get a deceptive and illusory "improvement" in the performance of the headlamp. The performance of the headlamp is perceived to be "better" because of the much higher level of foreground lighting (on the road immediately in front of the car). However, examining isoscans of the beam patterns produced by this kind of "conversion" reveals *less* distance light, and often an alarming relative minimum where there's meant to be a relative maximum in light intensity. When you *think* you can see better than you can, you're *not* safe.

It's tricky to judge headlamp beam performance without a lot of knowledge, a lot of training and a lot of special equipment, because subjective perceptions are very misleading. Having a lot of strong light in the foreground, that is on the road close to the car and out to the sides, is very comforting and reliably produces a strong *impression* of "good headlights". The problem is that not only is foreground lighting of decidedly secondary importance when travelling much above 30 mph, but having a very strong pool of light close to the car causes your pupils to close down, *worsening* your distance vision...all the while giving you this false sense of security. This is to say nothing of the massive amounts of glare to other road users and backdazzle to you, the driver, that results from these "retrofits".

HID headlamps also require careful weatherproofing and electrical shielding because of the high voltages involved. These unsafe "retrofits" make it physically possible to insert an HID bulb where a halogen bulb belongs, but this practice is illegal and dangerous, regardless of claims by these marketers that their systems are "beam pattern corrected" or the fraudulent use of established brand names to try to trick you into thinking the product is legitimate. In order to work correctly and safely, HID headlamps must be designed from the start as HID headlamps.

The only safe and legitimate HID retrofit is one that replaces the *entire* headlamp -- that is lens, reflector, bulb...the WHOLE shemozzle-- with optics designed for HID usage. On models for which no complete HID headlamps exist, it IS possible to get clever with the growing number of available products, such as Hella's modular projectors available in HID or halogen, and fabricate your own brackets and bezels, or to modify an original-equipment halogen headlamp housing to contain optical "guts" designed for HID usage. But just putting an HID bulb where a halogen one belongs is bad news all around.

And *that*, folks, is why HID kits are getting targetted for enforcement.

DS
 

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so would it be legal if someone where to get a whole headlamp assembly and do the bodywork to mould it in?
 


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anfrey said:
so would it be legal if someone where to get a whole headlamp assembly and do the bodywork to mould it in?
Knowing local police, they'd probably still ticket you for it, because it doesn't belong on your car :what:
 

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anfrey said:
so would it be legal if someone where to get a whole headlamp assembly and do the bodywork to mould it in?
Better have that DOT sticker. From what I understand it's not just that the faulty kits are illegal... it's that all aftermarket HID is illegal. Pretty much punishing all because of a few, that kind of deal. In order for your 6th gen to have legal HIDs you would need the FULL replacement, not just a retrofit. That means housing too. And they'd have to be DOT approved.
 


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so... I guess HID's aren't that special afterall :what:
 

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blah blah blah physics blah...

my stock headlights suck..i still wish i had retrofitted hid's
 

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F that s**t if you Paid for it and they fit your car shouldn't be ilegal there most cars that come striaght from the Manufacturer that have the lights that are much brigher then most of the once you put on aftermarket... that self Balencing bull s**t all they do is aim the lights right in your eyes.. Bulll SH*t !
 

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don't care until they sue the f**k out of me or put me in jail i will still have hid's and do retro's have done over 50+ on different vehicles i am not stopping
 

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I'm not trying to yell at anyone for doing anything illegal... I'm posting this so you KNOW why they're illegal.
 

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old news.. i think it been posted already too.. if not .. seen it in plenty in different forums.
 

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anekin007 said:
old news.. i think it been posted already too.. if not .. seen it in plenty in different forums.
Nope, I just searched.

"Search: Key Word(s): Reasons, HID, kit, crackdown"

One result. Yep, you got it. This thread only. I'm sorry that I sourced something from the internet that you happened to read before. I guess my feeble mind just imagined (particuarly with some of the threads posted lately about HID) that maybe, just maybe some other people on CC didn't yet understand why HID retrofit kits are illegal.

Thanks for you "boo, repost" comment anyway though. :thumbs up
 

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not only its old news.. the latest news about it is not even posted and this original post was removed from the the nhtsa website.. check the nhtsa site for oct 19 2004. please read the updated press release. they are cracking down on conversion kits cause these kits are being use on halogen housing and halogen reflectors. it doesnt say anything about retrofitting real hid projectors. try reading your own post before saying retrofitting is illegal. read the last 2 paragraphs.
 

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I'm aware of what it said. It didn't say that they're legal even though they are safe or that the entire headlight is replaced. ANd I thought that's what I was saying before.... that they're illegal primarily because even if the kits is a good, quality kit... the housing they're using is for halogen lighting, not for HID. I think you have this backwards. Did YOU read it? The article was talking about how halogen housing is not made to make the best of HID lighting. The lighting acts differntly and therefore should use different housing.

Retrofitting is illegal. it's illegal because they're taking HIDs and putting them into the factory housing. The wrong housing.

Either way, your post was not construstive at all. Perhaps add to it, don't just bash it because it's already online.
 

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I'm glad the police have nothing better to do. Gosh, sounds like they are planning on a huge HID manufacturing bust...."Welcome to ABC News, Tonight we're going from the war on drugs to the war on HID's....Have people really seen the light? Bob has more on this enlightening story."
 

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Genuine Rolla said:
I'm glad the police have nothing better to do. Gosh, sounds like they are planning on a huge HID manufacturing bust...."Welcome to ABC News, Tonight we're going from the war on drugs to the war on HID's....Have people really seen the light? Bob has more on this enlightening story."

Thanks Genuine Rolla On this very Sad day america has once again showed us that they don't have any better to do then to pick on the Tunners... But what else is new... Thats all for tonight Bob Sagot Reporting live... Genuine Rolla Back to you ! :rolf: :lol:
 

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its funny people have so much trouble with them.. ive had them over a year.. and well.. many members from the board have seen mine.. they dont really glare at all.. ive been flashed i think a total of 3 times.. i know that is not your point.. and its nice to read the info.. but i really dont get all the hooplah.. i drive by cops all the time.. no issues so i guess they cant be that bad..
 

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I know HID defenders will b***h about how their lights don't cause glare or "dazzle" oncoming drivers...they're wrong of course.... but the most offensive pain in the ass lights I have ever been blinded by are factory BMW X5 HIDs. I can't remember ever seeing a Civic with aftermarket HIDs that were properly aimed that I had a problem with but I remember X5s absolutely blinding me. And I have 5% tint on the back window and a 5% strip on the windshield.
 

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HIDs own =] X5 got nice Bosch projectors... they are okay.. TSX, S2K Standley projectors will blind you..

i got TSX retro on mine.. no cops stopped me
 


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