turbo question

Milano01

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hey all, i'm thinking about going turbo next year after my mini me swap but i don't think i'll hvae enough money for a new turbo kit so i'm gonna go junk hunting. a buddy of mine says to go for a turbo off a VW since its the ideal size for the honda motor but I'm not sure what psi i should run, nor do i know what the psi level is on the VW turbo. any ideas what it is? at most i want at most 200hp, and i know with the mini me swap it'll be 125 - 135 with basic mods. plus if i go for under 10 psi should i bother with an intercooler?

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First off, my response will be different than quite a few others on here, due to the fact that I like to go for a cheaper route, and DIY it.
Size of Turbo: I'd recommend a TDO4 13C for such a small displacement engine, and they can be found on any turbocharged Volvo. You can find them used for around 100$, (www.turbobricks.com) and the reason I like them is
1. The waste gate is internal, if you make a good manifold with the right flange and clocking, everything is done internally so there is no need for an expensive external wastegate.
2. These turbos have a Compressor Bypass Valve: read as a Blow Off Valve, again saving you money. Both are on the turbo itself, making it self sufficient.
3. The turbo will run 7.5psi / 8psi stock, which is just about right if you are going to have stock internals.
4. Get a custom manifold (PM TypeSwede, he made one) and the turbo will literally bolt up... once again, PM TypeSwede.
5. The turbo is good until abot 14-15 Psi, whic is about as much as you will ever want to run. While the turbo will not flow as wel as a big Turbonetic T3/T4, but it's a sixth of the cost, and you wont have to have external wastegate and a Blow off valve.
6. Run an intercooler. Period. You are already begging for trouble by turboing a frankenstien motor, and an open block motor. Honestly, be sure you are ready to do this. Intercoolers I would recommend are a front mount of a starion (an old DSM), a Volvo Intercooler will also work, so if you find one with a good 13C, check for the intercooler. ( you can also check www.turbobricks.com for a Volvo IC)
7. I would recommend one of the 100$ ebay intercooler piping kits. Usually you can cut 'em to fit and they will work fine.
The breaking point of your motor will be more determined by the horsepower you are pushing, and from what i understand, a D Series will usually toss its rods around 200 whp.
Now if you want to do a junkyard kit, you have to understand tuning is the key. I'd recommend probably phearable.net w/ one of the eprom programs. Hondata is of course the best, but quite expensive. Anyways, I just put everything together, you need to find someone who can tune it, and you need to find a programmable ECU of some sort. But either way you are along your way. Start getting parts, and you should be able to make it happen for under 1G. Good Luck. If you have any questions at all, post 'em up.
 


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Always run an intercooler and get a good tune. If your looking for a "junkyard turbo" a Saab has a nice sized one for a stock d-series.
 

Milano01

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awesome, that answered some questions i had about the intercoolers and i didn't even think of looking for the saab and volvo coolers at all. I'll deff PM typeswede for the info on that manifold. the yard near me will sell (if i find a turbo) for about 50 bucks and i'm going to look up their price for the intercooler too. i didn't know that the volvo 13C had an interal waste gate and blow off so that'll cut costs too. any ideas of what headers i should go for though??
 


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when you boost, you dont have headers you have turbo manifolds, which are pretty much the same thing except they are shaped different and they bolt to the turbo.
 

Milano01

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oh ok..I've seen them but weren't sure what they were called ok. thanks
 

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You'll want to get a d-series turbo manifold, it's up to you if you want to get a p/s, a/c friendly manifold. But, you can get adapter plates for the saab turbo, volvo...this kind of set up is really common. So there's a ton of info out there. And getting at least a hondata s100 (~$160 ish) is one of the best things you can do for your engine. With a tune good tune of course.
 

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If you're carefull, ebay. But, I'd recommend a local machine shop to make one for you. Get your turbo first then, let them match it up to the manifold. If you're going the ebay route, look for t3 flange adapters. I don't know waht kind of flange goes on the saabs or volvs. Some one on here would know.
 

Milano01

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so basically there going to fabericate a set of headers into a turbo manifold?
 

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please buy this book and read it.
Maximum Boost by Corky Bell
 

Milano01

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i was gonna ask you about that book too, i wanna get it. also what about using a turbo unit from a mitsu GSX? wouldn't that work and push out more power?
 

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well, that depends on which GSX turbo. if it's the first gen with a manual transmission, it will most likely be a snail to boost up on such a small engine. if it's the first gen automatic transmission or second gen turbo (they were the same no matter what), you most likely will have a better chance with it. but i believe that you cannot maintain A/C with either setup. not entirely sure. in your case, i'd chose to have the smaller turbo, or not even a mitsubishi turbo at all with those pencils for connecting rods, but if you end up changing out the pistons and connecting rods, definitely go for the first gen manual turbo. if not, look around for a smaller T3 turbo, i've seen it run 220 WHP with an entirely stock engine (See Sport Compact Car) if you really want cheap power, get a D16Z6 put it on an engine stand, rape eBay for all it's worth, and gradually build it with a decent sized turbo. come on, how cheap is the D16?
 

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i have a greddy 15g which is equivalent (very close) to the 14b found on eclipses, the thing spools TOO FAST =)
 

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Green 91 said:
please buy this book and read it.
Maximum Boost by Corky Bell
I think I'll have to get that book fairly soon then. :lol:


///AMii
 


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