Matt Damon makes a good point..

[oc_civic]

It's because people on the republican side usually try and insist they need weapon. They even try to tell people they need automatic weapons for hunting.

for the record.. im not even a republican..

 

[oc_civic]

or, simply put, disarming peaceful & law abiding citizens only serves to empower violent criminals

if it had not been for strict anti-gun laws designed to disarm the nazis, hitler would not have been able to kill millions of people without resistance


the government should have no more power than the people choose to give them
the peoples ability to protect themselves should match the governments ability to oppress.

a government that is truly of the people, by the people, and for the people cannot be above the people in any way

all true.. its sad how much faith people put in the government anymore.. all this social care... the willingness to lay down arms.. its basically allowing the government to assume a god role.. "we trust you government to handle our money, health care, provide us with protection, etc... "... as far as im concerned f**k that.. id much prefer a less intrusive government that allows me to handle my personal affairs on a PERSONAL level.. one that allows me the ability to defend my family and protery while WAITING for the police to arive.. i dont see the positive in investing that much faith in the government.. a body of individuals who has proven to lie time and time again...

 

[LowNotSlow]

I'm not a proponent of laws saying you have to own a gun, but you feel it's right to force me to give mine up despite my never doing anything negative with it.

Maybe someday we'll pass laws against martial arts as well.

 

[SilverEXCoupe]

Yes, s**t happens and no the world is not as bad as you guys portray. s**t does happen but thus is life. Life is not perfect but it far from the s**t hole that you guys make it out to be. I love how you guys act as if burglars are some kind of tactical strike force team that break into your house with no effort and are so good at what they do they are in and out with everything in your house in little to no time and thats with disarming an alarm, slitting the dogs throat, assasinating your entire family all while looking through all your stuff. It's a bit un realistic.

Say you have an alarm. all of a sudden your alarm starts freaking out screaming loud noises. It alerts the police (and scares off the burgler more then likely) the police arrive in five minutes. At the giant schauzer is alert and know where the burgler is. BARK BARK BARK "HOLY s**t BIG DOG" (this would scare off a person usually too) the burler shoots the dog and manages to get into the house (KEEP IN MIND YOUR HOUSE ALARM IS STILL YELLING) (That would at least take 3-5 minutes to get in the house) The burgler hears cop siren(this should scare off burgler.) But it doesn't he is looking to kill someone. I'm in the master bedroom with the door locked. Burgler goes to the door and Bam blow the door to pieces. The cops break the front door and confront burgler.

Now would that situation ever happen? No, burgler want to steal stuff not murder people for fun. What about the people that do? 1 in every 18000 people(ish) in the united states has comitted murder (population divided by murders) and I doubt one of these people would go through all of that risk in order to kill someone just to get caught.

3-5 minutes? Are you kidding? A burglar could get into most any house in 20 seconds or less. It looks like you endorse the multiple layer security principle. A firearm for defense is just another layer of defense, and hopefully the last resort.

 

[SilverEXCoupe]

i don't the automatic thing, though. don't understand why anyone but military personnel should have those.

Why not? I am a law abiding citizen. I will abide by the law with an automatic citizen the same as a non automatic weapon. Unless you are talking about full automatic weapons. Those are already forbidden. For the record the assault weapon regulations were ridiculous. Anything with a folding stock and a bayonet was considered an assault weapon if I remember correctly.

 

[oc_civic]

Why not? I am a law abiding citizen. I will abide by the law with an automatic citizen the same as a non automatic weapon. Unless you are talking about full automatic weapons. Those are already forbidden. For the record the assault weapon regulations were ridiculous. Anything with a folding stock and a bayonet was considered an assault weapon if I remember correctly.

there is a list of "bad items" and you could not have more than 2 or 3 something like that... detachable mag.. pistol grip.. bayonette lug..folding colapsable stock.. to name a few..

 

[Jimmy2times]

all true.. its sad how much faith people put in the government anymore.. all this social care... the willingness to lay down arms.. its basically allowing the government to assume a god role.. "we trust you government to handle our money, health care, provide us with protection, etc... "... as far as im concerned f**k that.. id much prefer a less intrusive government that allows me to handle my personal affairs on a PERSONAL level.. one that allows me the ability to defend my family and protery while WAITING for the police to arive.. i dont see the positive in investing that much faith in the government.. a body of individuals who has proven to lie time and time again...

Big Gov. FTL.

 

[JiuJitsu_greg]

you can't just blame republicans. my grandfather has been a democrat for most of his life and he's a big firearms supporter when it comes to handguns. he owns several and keeps one on his person outside his house...

i don't the automatic thing, though. don't understand why anyone but military personnel should have those.

That's very true. Republican are usually the ones that push the most about guns but i'm sure there are tons of gun toating democrats out there too.

 

[JiuJitsu_greg]

3-5 minutes? Are you kidding? A burglar could get into most any house in 20 seconds or less. It looks like you endorse the multiple layer security principle. A firearm for defense is just another layer of defense, and hopefully the last resort.

If they are trying to not get caught then it will take them awhile to get in the house. Sure it could take 20 seconds to break a window. Now what about clearing the glass? what about scouting the house to make sure people aren't awake? Most burglaries will happen when people are not home.

As for the semi auto weapons its rediculous to own one! Sure, you are law abiding but do you NEED a semi automatic weapon? Are burglers going to come in your house in groups of 12 or 20 people? NO, it's completely asinine to think you need a semi automatic weapon.

 

[JiuJitsu_greg]

I'm not a proponent of laws saying you have to own a gun, but you feel it's right to force me to give mine up despite my never doing anything negative with it.

Maybe someday we'll pass laws against martial arts as well.

Low, bro you need to reread my posts. I think you might of missed the one where I said i'm against government mandating that people can't have guns but I see no need in people having them.

 

[JiuJitsu_greg]

I'm not a proponent of laws saying you have to own a gun, but you feel it's right to force me to give mine up despite my never doing anything negative with it.

Maybe someday we'll pass laws against martial arts as well.

Low, bro you need to reread my posts. I think you might of mised the own where I said i'm against government mandating that people can't have guns but I see no need in people having them.

 

[JiuJitsu_greg]

for the record.. im not even a republican..

I said usually for the republican that doesn't mean all or that democrats don't have a part of it. You can put that on the record as well.

 

[JiuJitsu_greg]

let me guess, democrats just need JiuJitsu?



people used their fists for protection until bad guys started using spears
spears were sufficient until they started using swords and arrows....
swords and arrows fell to guns.

if you could take away the guns, people would go right back to swords and arrows....
you ask a law abiding gun owner and a criminal to give up their guns or face incarceration, the law abiding citizen would give up his gun.... the criminal would say "what gun" then go murder or rob the defenseless citizen

the need to protect ones self will never go away, but taking away ones ability to defend them self will never happen in a free society.

or, simply put, disarming peaceful & law abiding citizens only serves to empower violent criminals

if it had not been for strict anti-gun laws designed to disarm the nazis, hitler would not have been able to kill millions of people without resistance


the government should have no more power than the people choose to give them
the peoples ability to protect themselves should match the governments ability to oppress.

a government that is truly of the people, by the people, and for the people cannot be above the people in any way

I wouldn't ask a gun owner to give up there guns. Did you read the thread? I don't think the law abiding citizen would give up the weapons. Isn't that obvious if you read the thread? Taking away a gun doesn't take away the ability to defend yourself.

The red statement is one of the worst statements I have heard in a long time. You don't empower criminal by making gun ownership harder. What happens in buisness when there is a low supply on something rick? The price of the product sky rockets. Less guns on the street would make them more exprensive and harder to get.

Your Hilter statement is stupid. Guns could not have saved the jewish people. Hitler was in charge of the entire German army and would have crushed the people still unfortunatly.

I don't think anyone in this thread is for a all powerful government. So I don't know why you are preaching about it.

 

[SilverEXCoupe]

Your Hilter statement is stupid. Guns could not have saved the jewish people. Hitler was in charge of the entire German army and would have crushed the people still unfortunatly.

Not so sure about that. Bush is in charge of the entire American military and is finding what a difficult task urban warfare is.

 

[oc_civic]

I said usually for the republican that doesn't mean all or that democrats don't have a part of it. You can put that on the record as well.

im not a democrat either..

 

[oc_civic]

does anyone else find it ironic that some who TRAINS to hurt (and maybe kill) another human is arguing that guns are not needed.. LOL

 

[oc_civic]

in fact greg all you look like you want to do is take blame AWAY from the criminal and cast it to the law abiding citizen... its YOUR fault you live in a shitty area.. its YOUR fault you dont have an alarm.. its YOUR fault you dont have a big dog..

BULLSHIT.. ITS THE SCUMBAG CRIMINALS FAULT FOR BREAKING INTO MY HOME....

 

[MR99si]

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As for the semi auto weapons its rediculous to own one! Sure, you are law abiding but do you NEED a semi automatic weapon? Are burglers going to come in your house in groups of 12 or 20 people? NO, it's completely asinine to think you need a semi automatic weapon.

So everyone should only be allowed to own single shot muzzle stuffers (black power rifles/pistols)? Your statement is quite possible the stupidest I have ever heard! If three people break into you house and attack you are you supposed to say oh wait a second bad guys let me reload my single shot so I can kill you before you kill me. Law abiding citizens have ever "RIGHT" to own guns weather they are single shot or semi auto, we should focus on keeping them out if criminals hands. Lets not forget that millions of law abiding citizens use semi autos for target practice/competition & even hunting!

Cars kill far more people annually then guns do and they are not even a constitutional right, maybe we should ban them or limit their top speed to 60mph?

If Obama is elected he will push an all out ban on guns, after a term of him in office this is the kind of Socialist crap we'd be seeing: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/224988/youtube-bans-knife-clips-in-uk.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGVAQOUi6ec

 

[SilverEXCoupe]

I reserve the right to own a tank, anti-aircraft battery, RPGs, etc. I haven't broken any laws with the small arms, why do you fear me having more? I once took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the US, and I didn't rescind that oath when I left the military. I take it as seriously today as I did when I wore the uniform.

 

[LowNotSlow]

I reserve the right to own a tank, anti-aircraft battery, RPGs, etc. I haven't broken any laws with the small arms, why do you fear me having more? I once took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the US, and I didn't rescind that oath when I left the military. I take it as seriously today as I did when I wore the uniform.

Let me know when you get that tank I want to go for a ride mang