Matt Damon makes a good point..

[JiuJitsu_greg]

i own several weapons.. but the gun under my pillow is a glock 23, semi automatic pistol that holds 13 LE style hollowpoint rounds... heres why first of all if you break into my house and i shoot you with a 308 bolt action rifle.. not only am i going to kill you but im going to kill or injure anyone behind them the bullet is designed to travel.. a typical house structure at close range will NOT stop it.. PLUS its long as f**k and tactically NOT a good close quarters weapon.. my glock is underpowered compared to that hunting rifle.. and is DESIGNED with that round to stop someone and NOT kill people behind them.. the hollow point round breaks up inside the target making it unlikely to do additional damage to others... and it holds 13 rounds which is hardly ridiculous.. im NOT toting some fully automatic 30 round uzi.. im using a gun that is DESIGNED to kill atarget and NOT hurt others.. but again people like yourself are SO cought up in the stigma that you would RATHER have me shoot somoene with a hunting rifle because it LOOKS less scary.. putting OTHERS in the area at risk.. VS usign a handgun that is DESIGNED to safely eliminate targets..

I would like to see you safe and not have to shoot anyone at all. That is what I would like to see.

 

[oc_civic]

I would like to see you safe and not have to shoot anyone at all. That is what I would like to see.

i am safe.. i DOUBT i will EVER need a gun to defend myself.. but IF i do.. im glad to know its there.. and thats the point of all this.. its simple..

its NOT fear.. its NOT panic.. its logic... i own LOTS of tools.. a firearm.. to me is a tool.. i invest some faith in government.. in police.. etc.. BUT i just want to know that IF it comes down to it... i will have the tools to defend myself if they cant.. i own knives i use in the kitchen.. i own them because they are tools.. SURE they could lead to violence.. sure they COULD take someones life.. but can i live my life in fear and never cut anything up because knives are bad.. no of course not.. i have them for when i need them.. just like i own a gun for if i need it.. i will agree.. its unlikely.. but its NOT as unlikely as you think it is..

 

[JiuJitsu_greg]

socialism IS crap for hard working people and GREAT for lazy assholes..


i pay XXXX amount of money into the government to cover the cost of running it.. if SOME of that money is diverted to people who don't work then it SUCKS for me because im beign forced to pick up the tab of lazy people.. want money? want medical? GO GET A f**king JOB...

its funny in one instance you talk all this s**t on us for not "cleaning up the area we live in" but in the same breath support social nonsense that basically supports the lazy..

you also compare a asemi automatic handgun to a semiautomatic rifle then say no one needs any kind of semi automatic weapon.. fyi you are making no sense..

IN you sentence ending in go get a f**king job. You are worried about your middle aged family members that get jumped or hurt but what happens if that same middle aged family memeber was downsized at work. Can't afford to pay a hospital bill should she be pushed out of a doctors office into the street to die or should a government take a responsibility for it's people and not only spend tax money on making themselves rich but to give everyone health care and free college etc? In Germany they do this. You take home about 50% of your check and you get free college and healthcare. Socialed medicine is not for the lazy. It away to help everyone in our nation become healthier.

 

[JiuJitsu_greg]

then why participate in such a violence driven sport.. we WONT debate it being violent or not because i have more respect for you than that and KNOW you know the roots of the sport..

Because if you had trained Bjj you would know the sport is anything but driven by violence. You train MMA and that is completely different. I know the root and the self defense application and there are people that train the sport to harm other but im not training to be a killing machine.

 

[oc_civic]

Because if you had trained Bjj you would know the sport is anything but driven by violence. You train MMA and that is completely different. I know the root and the self defense application and there are people that train the sport to harm other but im not training to be a killing machine.

i get that.. but the training you are part of IS a training that teaches you to HURT another person.. that IS the concept..

 

[JiuJitsu_greg]

i am safe.. i DOUBT i will EVER need a gun to defend myself.. but IF i do.. im glad to know its there.. and thats the point of all this.. its simple..

its NOT fear.. its NOT panic.. its logic... i own LOTS of tools.. a firearm.. to me is a tool.. i invest some faith in government.. in police.. etc.. BUT i just want to know that IF it comes down to it... i will have the tools to defend myself if they cant.. i own knives i use in the kitchen.. i own them because they are tools.. SURE they could lead to violence.. sure they COULD take someones life.. but can i live my life in fear and never cut anything up because knives are bad.. no of course not.. i have them for when i need them.. just like i own a gun for if i need it.. i will agree.. its unlikely.. but its NOT as unlikely as you think it is..

I hope you never have to use your guns either. I see your point but my point is that guns are not needed. People WANT gun to protect themselves. They THINK it COULD POSSIBLY happen that they could be attacked once in their life time so they get weapons. Thats your choice and you live your life they way you want to. I'm not saying you are a horrible person for wanting guns. I'm simply saying guns are not needed like people try to say they are.

 

[SilverEXCoupe]

Dude you should murdah out the tank. Black on black on black.

Nah, everyone in my area has a black on black on black tank. Gonna rock the double dipped spinners and color match the trim for now.

 

[Jimmy2times]

IN you sentence ending in go get a f**king job. You are worried about your middle aged family members that get jumped or hurt but what happens if that same middle aged family memeber was downsized at work. Can't afford to pay a hospital bill should she be pushed out of a doctors office into the street to die or should a government take a responsibility for it's people and not only spend tax money on making themselves rich but to give everyone health care and free college etc? In Germany they do this. You take home about 50% of your check and you get free college and healthcare. Socialed medicine is not for the lazy. It away to help everyone in our nation become healthier.

that's the biggest load of bullshit ever.


sooo ur telling me, that the kid who works his ass off with multiple jobs to make more money to support himself and his family gets half of his check taken away.

let's just say that he takes in 400 a week. (subtract 200 for socialism's sake)
then some dead-beat works half that half as hard and receives 210 a week. (-105)

health care and college have x worth, a fixed amount. over the course of 2 years, person A (a lot like myself) has given 20800 to the government. Person B has given them 10920.

...yet, despite the disparity in their contributions, they receive the same benefits...

 

[JiuJitsu_greg]

i get that.. but the training you are part of IS a training that teaches you to HURT another person.. that IS the concept..

I really don't put that in my head when I roll at all. I break it into something more dynamic as opposed to something basic and barbaric like that. My goal is not to hurt someone. It is to hit a de le Riva sweep. It's not to break a guys arm it to control a situation. I suppose its just a spin of perspectives because in reality we are talking about the same thing but I think jiujitsu is something different to every person. There are Blind people, people with no hands, people with no legs that do Jiujitsu. Their goal is not to hurt people their goal is just to participate in jiujitsu.

 

[oc_civic]

IN you sentence ending in go get a f**king job. You are worried about your middle aged family members that get jumped or hurt but what happens if that same middle aged family memeber was downsized at work. Can't afford to pay a hospital bill should she be pushed out of a doctors office into the street to die or should a government take a responsibility for it's people and not only spend tax money on making themselves rich but to give everyone health care and free college etc? In Germany they do this. You take home about 50% of your check and you get free college and healthcare. Socialed medicine is not for the lazy. It away to help everyone in our nation become healthier.

honestly.. yes.. when you lose your job you have two options.. 1) sit and be jobless or 2) go get a job.. i would opt for the second.. then you say should the government take responsibility.. ABSOLUTELY NOT.. the government has ONE role.. and that is to govern.. to rule.. the government is not a never ending charity box.. is it NOT a hospital.. it is a government... BIG government is a financial nightmare and socialized medicine.. schooling etc.. is UNFAIR.. how can you sit there and assume that taking %50 of my pay to cover YOUR schooling and YOUR health care when maybe im in a situaiton where ill NEVER go to school OR never use health care.. you have now stolen %50 of my income and kicked it into charity that i will NEVER reap the benifit of.. if like unemployment.. i would dig f**king ditches with illegals in the corn fields before i would sit on my ass and collect.. so it is basically useless robery.. it is money that is taken from me FOREVER.. that is then redistributed to those who are willing to sit at home and collect.. HOW DO YOU SEE FAIRNESS IN THAT.. i pay so you can do nothing? BULLSHIT...

 

[SilverEXCoupe]

I hope you never have to use your guns either. I see your point but my point is that guns are not needed. People WANT gun to protect themselves. They THINK it COULD POSSIBLY happen that they could be attacked once in their life time so they get weapons. Thats your choice and you live your life they way you want to. I'm not saying you are a horrible person for wanting guns. I'm simply saying guns are not needed like people try to say they are.

I get what you're saying. In my area there is a certain section of town that is well known for shootings and gun violence. I once went over there at night to go look at a 4th gen Civic, and I was a but nervous. From what you hear people say and what you see on the news it sounded like I was gonna get carjacked just driving through the area. It was actually pretty quiet there.

 

[oc_civic]

that's the biggest load of bullshit ever.


sooo ur telling me, that the kid who works his ass off with multiple jobs to make more money to support himself and his family gets half of his check taken away.

let's just say that he takes in 400 a week. (subtract 200 for socialism's sake)
then some dead-beat works half that half as hard and receives 210 a week. (-105)

health care and college have x worth, a fixed amount. over the course of 2 years, person A (a lot like myself) has given 20800 to the government. Person B has given them 10920.

...yet, despite the disparity in their contributions, they receive the same benefits...

yup socialism = BIG FAIL

 

[JiuJitsu_greg]

that's the biggest load of bullshit ever.


sooo ur telling me, that the kid who works his ass off with multiple jobs to make more money to support himself and his family gets half of his check taken away.

let's just say that he takes in 400 a week. (subtract 200 for socialism's sake)
then some dead-beat works half that half as hard and receives 210 a week. (-105)

health care and college have x worth, a fixed amount. over the course of 2 years, person A (a lot like myself) has given 20800 to the government. Person B has given them 10920.

...yet, despite the disparity in their contributions, they receive the same benefits...

I'm telling you the guy that works two jobs gets to keep half of his check and if he has a retarded son he won't be randomly cut from insurance or be kept from ever having insurance because of a health condition. It is freely provided to you and your entire nation.

IN your situation person a and b both can make different choices. Person A seems to want nothing more in life then a bunch of money . Person B seems to be bettering himself and should be in the long run a better citizen to have in a nation then money hungry person A. Life is not all about money.

 

[JiuJitsu_greg]

honestly.. yes.. when you lose your job you have two options.. 1) sit and be jobless or 2) go get a job.. i would opt for the second.. then you say should the government take responsibility.. ABSOLUTELY NOT.. the government has ONE role.. and that is to govern.. to rule.. the government is not a never ending charity box.. is it NOT a hospital.. it is a government... BIG government is a financial nightmare and socialized medicine.. schooling etc.. is UNFAIR.. how can you sit there and assume that taking %50 of my pay to cover YOUR schooling and YOUR health care when maybe im in a situaiton where ill NEVER go to school OR never use health care.. you have now stolen %50 of my income and kicked it into charity that i will NEVER reap the benifit of.. if like unemployment.. i would dig f**king ditches with illegals in the corn fields before i would sit on my ass and collect.. so it is basically useless robery.. it is money that is taken from me FOREVER.. that is then redistributed to those who are willing to sit at home and collect.. HOW DO YOU SEE FAIRNESS IN THAT.. i pay so you can do nothing? BULLSHIT...

It is not a never ending charity box but I think more could be done't with the 2 billion dollars a month the government sucks into aircrafts alone. That is a huge problem with American society. We have no identity as a whole. It's f**k you I make xxx amount of money and you make less so you are a pice of s**t. I pay for my own insurance I don't want to have to give any money to help anyone else. It's garbage to have a nation full of citizens that don't give a crap about human life.

The think about socializing medicine, school etc is they are not just taking 50% of your money it goes for the entire national populous. It goes to improve living conditions of millions of people. HOw can improving the lives of millions of people be a bad thing? Is it because you want to own a bunch of crap you don't need?

 

[oc_civic]

It is not a never ending charity box but I think more could be done't with the 2 billion dollars a month the government sucks into aircrafts alone. That is a huge problem with American society. We have no identity as a whole. It's f**k you I make xxx amount of money and you make less so you are a pice of s**t. I pay for my own insurance I don't want to have to give any money to help anyone else. It's garbage to have a nation full of citizens that don't give a crap about human life.

The think about socializing medicine, school etc is they are not just taking 50% of your money it goes for the entire national populous. It goes to improve living conditions of millions of people. HOw can improving the lives of millions of people be a bad thing? Is it because you want to own a bunch of crap you don't need?

the problem is the human life im supporting with my HARD EARNED money is TYPICALLY going to some piece of trash scumbag that could give a rats ass of bettering himself... he is content with living off of the state and being a piece of s**t forever.. socialism doesnt reward success.. if you want something.. striving for it makes you a better person.. having it handed to you is lame..

 

[Jimmy2times]

I'm telling you the guy that works two jobs gets to keep half of his check and if he has a retarded son he won't be randomly cut from insurance or be kept from ever having insurance because of a health condition. It is freely provided to you and your entire nation.

IN your situation person a and b both can make different choices. Person A seems to want nothing more in life then a bunch of money . Person B seems to be bettering himself and should be in the long run a better citizen to have in a nation then money hungry person A. Life is not all about money.

*buzzer noise* wrong.

Person A...aka, myself wants a great life for himself and his family and wants to be able to support his parents. He understands personal responsibility and realizes that what he gets in life isn't just going to be given to him. He realizes that earning his own keep is his own contribution to society because he's not being a financial burden.

person B, is a dead beat that wants to take advantage of the system. he's not bettering anybody. he's a lazy self-centered bastard who doesn't deserve free health care much less free education. He doesn't care if others need to carry his dead weight.

 

[JiuJitsu_greg]

the problem is the human life im supporting with my HARD EARNED money is TYPICALLY going to some piece of trash scumbag that could give a rats ass of bettering himself... he is content with living off of the state and being a piece of s**t forever.. socialism doesnt reward success.. if you want something.. striving for it makes you a better person.. having it handed to you is lame..

How is your money going to a piece of s**t? The money would be going to the poor, the hungry and those that look to improve society

 

[JiuJitsu_greg]

*buzzer noise* wrong.

Person A...aka, myself wants a great life for himself and his family and wants to be able to support his parents. He understands personal responsibility and realizes that what he gets in life isn't just going to be given to him. He realizes that earning his own keep is his own contribution to society because he's not being a financial burden.

person B, is a dead beat that wants to take advantage of the system. he's not bettering anybody. he's a lazy self-centered bastard who doesn't deserve free health care much less free education. He doesn't care if others need to carry his dead weight.

Sounds like person a made a few bad life decisions. I have no idea about person a situation so I couldn't possibly reflect more on that

Now person b could hardly be seen as lazy. A full time student usually take 5 classes. That having class 2 or 3 days a week from 10 in the morning till 5 at night. Now the full time student also has to study hours per day and hold down multiple jobs to sustain living and pay huge tuition bills

 

[Jimmy2times]

How is your money going to a piece of s**t? The money would be going to the poor, the hungry and those that look to improve society

but it would also go to the poor crack addicts who blow all their other money. it would be going to those that choose to not take care of themselves. It goes to all of those ignorant jerks who will just take up space in college class rooms and distract those who really want to learn. It would go to the dead-beats who will just leech the system. It'll go to the legions rolling up to the welfare lines in escalades in dubs.

above all that, it's my right to not have healthcare. I'm a very healthy 18-30 year old male who works out and who lives responsibly. i don't want the government telling me i need to buy anything.

 

[Jimmy2times]

Sounds like person a made a few bad life decisions. I have no idea about person a situation so I couldn't possibly reflect more on that

Now person b could hardly be seen as lazy. A full time student usually take 5 classes. That having class 2 or 3 days a week from 10 in the morning till 5 at night. Now the full time student also has to study hours per day and hold down multiple jobs to sustain living and pay huge tuition bills

*slaps my own forehead in frustration*

Person a is the full time student holding down two jobs. in case i didn't make this clear, i'm talking about me. Person a is responsible one who is forward thinking enough to save money and make a life for himself.

person b IS a lazy dead-beat. I'm TELLING you that. This is MY illustration. you won't deny that this country is full of low-lifes who will take advantage of the system. i don't want u to advocate his laziness. i want you to admit that socialism would be fine if everyone pulled their own weight and was equally skilled....but they don't and they aren't. some people just care about themselves more than others.

if someone is unwilling to help themselves, i'm not going to help them.