cure for disease?

[bizoneoeh]

they're killing off the right people.... no need for a cure!

 

[RonJ]

I'm not going to reply, I hate when you reply in quotes.

Oh please. That's okay, I was tired of correcting you anyway.

 

[vjf915]

What exactly do you mean by copywriting DNA and genes?

 

[RonJ]

What exactly do you mean by copywriting DNA and genes?

This came from the sequencing of the human genome. Companies decided that, if they could copyright identified genes, then if studies of those genes ever lead to a therapeutic drug for cancer or other diseases by someone else, they could then get a share of the profit. The Supreme Court wisely saw through this greed and how it would impede medical research.

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

This is completely wrong. The vast majority of scientists working on cancer cures and preventions are funded by the National Institutes of Health (U.S. government) and work on their own ideas. It's ridiculous to believe that business CEOs understand the science better than the scientists. The CEOs choose directions developed by scientists.

Wrong. The NIH budget is 30 billion. 80% of that goes to grants.

More than 80% of the NIH's funding is awarded through almost 50,000 competitive grants to more than 325,000 researchers at over 3,000 universities, medical schools, and other research institutions in every state and around the world.

So this does not mean they are working for a cure for diseases. Most of these are probably experiments to understand how certain genes work, and other vaccines.

12 Billion went to Clinical Research.
9 Billion went to Genetics.
6.7 Billion went to Cancer.
6.7 Billion went to Biotechnology.
6.1 Billion went to Prevention.

850 Million went to Breast Cancer.
345 Million went to Prostate Cancer.
262 Million went to Brain Cancer.
203 Million went to Lung Cancer.
107 Million went to Liver Cancer.
26 Million went to Uterine Cancer.

Shocker:
1.4 Billion went to Nutrition.
1.5 Billion went to Basic Behavioral and Social Science .


The budget for breast cancer has fallen by 7 million.
Bioengineering's budget has almost DOUBLED.
Networking and Information Technology R&D's budget has almost TRIPLED. From 400 million to close to 1.2 BILLION.

If the article says that prevention has been the main focus, then it is wrong. Since the Nixon administration, the emphasis of cancer research has been to understand the mechanisms by which cancer arises so that cures and treatments could be developed. This continues to be a major effort, but now prevention has become an added emphasis and with good justification.

We need to stop worrying about prevention and worry about cure now.

 

[RonJ]

Jolly, you just don't understand how the NIH works. It ONLY funds grants that are ultimately relevant to finding cures, treatments, or preventions for diseases such as cancer. Otherwise, the research won't get funded. A huge chunk of research in funded areas in your list that don't have cancer in their names are really cancer research. And again, cure has been the major emphasis since the inception of cancer research. You just need to do more reading Jolly. I think you are reading snippets and getting the wrong impression.

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

Jolly, you just don't understand how the NIH works. It ONLY funds grants that are ultimately relevant to finding cures, treatments, or preventions for diseases such as cancer. Otherwise, the research won't get funded. A huge chunk of research in funded areas in your list that don't have cancer in their names are really cancer research.

I'm quoting directly from their budget.

They have Climate Change, and Health Impact from Climate change as well

 

[RonJ]

I'm quoting directly from their budget.

They have Climate Change, and Health Impact from Climate change as well

You are quoting without understanding.

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

You are quoting without understanding.

It's quite clear.

The goal of NIH research is to acquire new knowledge to help prevent, detect, diagnose, and treat disease and disability, from the rarest genetic disorder to the common cold. The NIH mission is to uncover new knowledge that will lead to better health for everyone. NIH works toward that mission by conducting research in its own laboratories, supporting the research of non-Federal scientists (in universities, medical schools, hospitals, and research institutions throughout the country and abroad), helping in the training of research investigators, and fostering communication of medical and health sciences information.

And from taking a look at their budget, a lot of it is going to things other than diseases. Even bioengineering:

Biological Engineers or bioengineers are engineers who use the principles of biology and the tools of engineering to create usable, tangible products. In general, biological engineers attempt to either mimic biological systems in order to create products or modify and control biological systems so that they can replace, augment, or sustain chemical and mechanical processes. Bioengineers can apply their expertise to other applications of engineering and biotechnology, including genetic modification of plants and microorganisms, bioprocess engineering, and biocatalysis.

One of NIH's great highlights:

Weight Loss Depends on Less Calories, Not Nutrient Mix

and another:

Cocaine Vaccine Shows Promise for Treating Addiction

 

[RonJ]

The NIH is subdivided into different programs, and the NCI - National Cancer Institute - has a lion's share of the budget. That seems to me to signify a large emphasis on cancer, despite the fact that more people die from heart disease in the U.S. Therefore, some would argue (not me) that the NCI budget is too large if you consider the number of people killed by cancer versus other even more important diseases.

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

NCI's budget is 6 billion. It's a fifth of the total NIH's budget.

 

[RonJ]

NCI's budget is 6 billion. It's a fifth of the total NIH's budget.

Which NIH program receives more? In addition, research that is not directly called cancer research actually is, though I don't expect you to understand this. Cancer is a disease of genes and cells, so the more we understand about these, the more we understand about cancer. They are intimately intertwined. In addition, did you also know that 15%-20% of cancers are caused by viruses? Have you heard about the HPV vaccine? So even research on microbes is relevant to cancer.

 

[Kswest]

Is it coincidental that I have an advertisement for forum wars on this page? I think not.

 

[RonJ]

Is it coincidental that I have an advertisement for forum wars on this page? I think not.

Wars. Not sure what you mean.

By the way, I love Jolly because he's too damn smart for his own good.

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

Which NIH program receives more? In addition, research that is not directly called cancer research actually is, though I don't expect you to understand this.

I understand this, but A LOT of the spending isn't needed. Climate Change? I mean come on.

Cancer is a disease of genes and cells, so the more we understand about these, the more we understand about cancer.

Cancer is not one disease. Cancer is caused by a cells gene becoming dysfunctional and a goes into a rapid cell division cycle.

They are intimately intertwined.

Well, obviously. Cancer cannot spread without cells.

In addition, did you also know that 15%-20% of cancers are caused by viruses?

The most common is HPV.

Have you heard about the HPV vaccine?

Did you know 8% of the side affects from the HPV vaccine is considered serious? Serious encompasses:

hospitalization, death, permanent disability, and life threatening illness.

So even research on microbes is relevant to cancer.

This is what most vaccines are. All they are, are a killed microbe or virus.

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

By the way, I love Jolly because he's too damn smart for his own good.

That's not very nice.