Illegals hurting more of our own people..

[oc_civic]

Lol oc civic all I wanted to hear from yu whas that all white people ain't perfect and that spics are all not bad man. You make it seem like we are all screw ups. I came into your country I'm legal and all but if you really look at it I got my high school diploma and I'm getting a criminal justice degree next is to go to law school. So yea we Spanish and we come into your country but most of us come to do good.

like i have said a MILLION times..

I do NOT hate all non-white people..
I recognize that legal immigration IS necessary and actually healthy for the country..

The problem is when people SNEAK into the country.. that is what I have issue with..

 

[RonJ]

Paul Opposes Citizenship for Babies of Illegals

In Today's NY Times:

Paul Opposes Citizenship for Babies of Illegals

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: May 28, 2010

FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) -- U.S. Senate candidate Rand Paul is stirring it up again, this time by saying he opposes citizenship for children born in the U.S. to parents who are illegal immigrants.

Paul, who a week ago won the GOP primary, told a Russian TV station in a clip circulating on political Web sites Friday that he wants to block citizenship to those children.

''We're the only country I know that allows people to come in illegally, have a baby, and then that baby becomes a citizen,'' Paul told RT, an English-language station, shortly after his win over GOP establishment candidate Trey Grayson. ''And I think that should stop also.''

Legislation dubbed the Birthright Citizenship Act was introduced in the House last year seeking to prevent citizenship to babies born to illegal immigrants even though the 14th Amendment to the Constitution guarantees citizenship to everyone born in the U.S. More than 90 lawmakers signed on as co-sponsors.

Paul told the TV station that partisan politics may be at play in not stopping illegal immigration.

''I'm not opposed to letting people come in and work and labor in our country,'' Paul said. ''But I think what we should do is we shouldn't provide an easy route to citizenship. A lot of this is about demographics. If you look at new immigrants from Mexico, they register three to one Democrat, so the Democratic Party is for easy citizenship and allowing them to vote. I think we need to address that.''

Campaign chairman David Adams said Friday that Paul stands behind his statements.

''Illegal immigration is a real problem in this country,'' Adams said, ''and if we can't talk about this, what can we talk about?''

Paul faces Democrat Jack Conway, the state's attorney general, in the November general election. Conway was vacationing Friday with is wife and daughter and wasn't immediately available for comment on the immigration issue.

During the primary campaign, Conway said he would support tough but fair immigration legislation that would prevent illegal immigrants from benefiting from a country where they don't have permission to live.

The notion of stopping birthright citizenship to children of illegal immigrants wasn't raised during the primary, which isn't surprising since Kentucky isn't the magnet for illegal immigrants as some other places around the country.

University of Louisville political scientist Laurie Rhodebeck said Paul's position is no political liability in Kentucky where polls show people frown on illegal immigration.

''Clearly, people here seem to be even more in favor of tight control over immigration issues than folks nationwide,'' Rhodebeck said. ''So, if Paul wants, he could take the issue and run with it.''

 

[vjf915]

Ehh, I dont know what I think about that just yet. Where I find the problem is, if these people are illegal.....how do they have the baby in a hospital? Thats bullshit.

 

[Hecz]

if these people are illegal.....how do they have the baby in a hospital? Thats bullshit.

i guess they don't ask for proof of residency at hospital delivery rooms

 

[oc_civic]

i guess they don't ask for proof of residency at hospital delivery rooms

maybe they should start..

 

[WalkingComplex]

Not trying to piss people off, but I believe illegals(not just mexicans, but all, and not all mexicans)should go back to where they came from. If you want to come to the United States(not America, America consists of two continents[North AMERICA and South AMERICA), then do it LEGALLY, the laws are there for a reason and that's to make this county somewhat civil and obedient. I have read every post in this thread, my one question is: Why is sick_vic not banned? To me, he has disrespected every person is this thread including countless moderators. Last time I checked which was right now, rule 6 of the CC guidelines states: Being rude or disrespectful will not be tolerated. It is ok to disagree with someone, but arguing and name calling is unacceptable. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry for this, but thats how I see it.

 

[vjf915]

SickVic is entitled to his own opinion. Although he DID insult several people, we simply cannot ban him just because of that. And since his join date, 11 months ago, he has made 1 post that was not in off topic. I cant speak for the rest of the staff, but Im not terribly concerned with him at the moment. If another situation arises, we will deal with it then.

And dont worry about offending anyone. You are allowed to have your opinion, and you stated it in a civil manner.

 

[WalkingComplex]

<<Literally, vjf, I didn't expect that to come from you to me considering our past on here(Side note, I'm gonna try to not let the past rehappen, since your name is now green, lol). That makes sense what you said man.

Back on-topic of the off-topic forum based-thread(lol). To expand on my opinion. I believe that if someone(NOT just mexicans)comes to this country illegally, they NEED to be dealt with, be it deportation or death, I don't care. If deportation is the result and they come back again, the latter must be the result. They have no right to the rights of the citizens of the United States. Why, because the constitution of the United States consists of rights of citizens of the United States, not illegal aliens. If a minor is brought here illegally, I believe the DREAM Act should be used. People say that the illegals take the jobs that no-one wants. Well, in this economy, if a job of cleaning portable toilets or bailing hay is open, where can I fill out an application(I don't have a job!). If anyone wants to throw the "All United States citizens were once illegal immigrants" card, I call bullshit. That's not always true, we most likely were born here. Anyway, that's it for right now. I can barely read what I'm typing because of my blurry vision from sleep-deprivation. So, if anyone wants to debate(*cough*argue*cough*)with anything I have said, then let's discuss it in a civil manner since I'm already on the pirate ship's plank of banishment. To all, good night.

Another side note: this post makes me smile, because It's probably the most civil and smartest thing I've typed in my life that I believe. LOL!

 

[Voltio]

In Today's NY Times:

Paul Opposes Citizenship for Babies of Illegals

 

[vjf915]

<<Literally, vjf, I didn't expect that to come from you to me considering our past on here(Side note, I'm gonna try to not let the past rehappen, since your name is now green, lol). That makes sense what you said man.

Back on-topic of the off-topic forum based-thread(lol). To expand on my opinion. I believe that if someone(NOT just mexicans)comes to this country illegally, they NEED to be dealt with, be it deportation or death, I don't care. If deportation is the result and they come back again, the latter must be the result. They have no right to the rights of the citizens of the United States. Why, because the constitution of the United States consists of rights of citizens of the United States, not illegal aliens. If a minor is brought here illegally, I believe the DREAM Act should be used. People say that the illegals take the jobs that no-one wants. Well, in this economy, if a job of cleaning portable toilets or bailing hay is open, where can I fill out an application(I don't have a job!). If anyone wants to throw the "All United States citizens were once illegal immigrants" card, I call bullshit. That's not always true, we most likely were born here. Anyway, that's it for right now. I can barely read what I'm typing because of my blurry vision from sleep-deprivation. So, if anyone wants to debate(*cough*argue*cough*)with anything I have said, then let's discuss it in a civil manner since I'm already on the pirate ship's plank of banishment. To all, good night.

Another side note: this post makes me smile, because It's probably the most civil and smartest thing I've typed in my life that I believe. LOL!

No dont worry about that man, the past is the past. I was being a little punk then Totally non-biased now. But even before that.....what you believe is what you believe, all I ask is that you have a good REASON that can be put into words, and it can be argued/debated/discussed on some sort of intellectual basis. SickVic did nothing of the sort. If you had a solid argument for why illegals should be able to stay (which I dont think one exists) then I would at least commend you on having your own point of view, and being able to express it, although I would not agree with it. That pertains to ANY issue that is discussed.

And as far as the "they do jobs nobody else would do" card, I call bullshit too. I explained it before. I think that if the illegals werent here to do the jobs, and there werent Americans who were willing to do the jobs.....well the s**t has to get done right? This means that machines would probably do the jobs. Well it takes people to design the machines. It takes people to produce and manufacture the machines. It takes people to maintain and fix the machines. These are all jobs that are created. And on top of that......these people that build and maintain the machines.........they need tools!!!! Guess where they get the tools from, stores!!!! These stores have employees, like me!!!! And when these stores get more business, they give out more hours!!!!! Which in turn means I have more money in my pocket, and can spend that money!!!!!!! Oh my god, its a miracle.

Except that wont happen, because our president has decided to harbor illegal immigrants. Our "War on Terror".......well what if the citizens had a "War on Illegals". We could fight any government who harbors illegals. That would pretty much force them to act. Or we could have Obama impeached for not acting, and in essence harboring illegals in our country.

 

[WalkingComplex]

Exactly. f**k Obama. Not because he's black, but because he's f**ked the United States in only one year of presidency.

 

[oc_civic]

http://immigrationcounters.com/

 

[got traction]

http://immigrationcounters.com/

seeing the counters pisses me off even more

 

[vjf915]

Pisses me the f**k off too.

And on top of that, now Obama wants to make a policy that if an illegal immigrant is pulled over........they need to be released if they are not a convicted felon!!!

 

[got traction]

Pisses me the f**k off too.

And on top of that, now Obama wants to make a policy that if an illegal immigrant is pulled over........they need to be released if they are not a convicted felon!!!

things like that make me question the administration. what the f**k are they thinking?

 

[vjf915]

That they are people and they "have rights" so we should just let them stay.

 

[Jersey8]

not to mention if this national healthcare thing goes into effect then well really be payin out the ass for the illegal aliens

 

[oc_civic]

not to mention if this national healthcare thing goes into effect then well really be payin out the ass for the illegal aliens

for what its worth we are already paying for them indirectly.. when illegals receive emergency medical care YOU are footing the bill through higher insurance premiums and government programs fueled by tax dollars..

 

[vjf915]

Yessssss, and maybe THIS is why I dont have enough money to stimulate the f**king economy...

 

[CCorrea]

wow there is alot of racist people on here, the story had nothing to do with an illegal aliens. just my two cents