Letter to the President

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Healthcare is affordable? Keep telling yourself that. Could I do without having 100 dollars taken out of my pay every month? Of course I could, I just don't want to have a visit to hospital and then be tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

My opinion? Base our healthcare on Japans healthcare system. This is why: So while in the U.S. a MRI scan of the neck region costs about $US 1,500; in Japan, the identical scan costs $US 98. (Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082101778_pf.html)

More: In France and Japan, you don't get a choice of insurance provider; you have to use the one designated for your company or your industry. But patients can go to any doctor, any hospital, any traditional healer. There are no U.S.-style limits such as "in-network" lists of doctors or "pre-authorization" for surgery. You pick any doctor, you get treatment -- and insurance has to pay.

I REALLY suggest some members read this article, it'll put our healthcare system in contrast to others around the world. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082101778_pf.html

if you want healthcare like japan and france, pack up and move The healthcare in America is second-to-none, i bet healthcare is cheap in afghanistan......why dont we just adopt their system

 

[got traction]

Dont get me wrong Jason, I agree with you on A LOT of points you have made. I think we need national healthcare....to make it even simpler.....lets just have government funded hospitals. You walk in, they determine you are a legal citizen, you get your service, and go on your way. Im all for it. Im just stating that people complain about government regulated this, then complain when they DONT regulate other things. Its inconsistent.

this type of system just makes everyone equal. f**k that. Why should I pay for the crack head down the street to get free healthcare? I work hard to provide for my family, and part of that is paying for health insurance.

 

[vjf915]

I pay roughly 250 a month in healthcare for my wife/kid. Its 80/20 care, meaning they cover 80%, and i pay 20% plus a 35 dollar co-pay. With that said, i think its pretty irresponsible of you to decide not to have health insurance so you can have some pocket money. By you not having health insurance for yourself and GF, who would pay if something were to happen to you and you were hospitalized? (god forbid). Its not fair to me, as a tax payer, to pick up your tab because you would rather spend money on fun things, rather than pay for health insurance.

In no way am i attacking your character, so dont take it that way....just trying to throw my input out there

I didnt think you were attacking me. And I TOTALLY agree with you. I have health insurance through both my father and my mother. Health insurance is DEFINITELY not something I ever plan to go without, just like car insurance. I COMPLETELY agree with everything you just said. I think the one thing thats worse than paying for someone who is too lazy to pay for their own.....is paying for an illegals health care.....

 

[oc_civic]

Exactly, but if they are going to take then they had better attempt to help people with the money that they get from us citizens.

for once we agree.... that will likely NEVER happen again..

with that said there have been many nations with national health care that don't do a bad job of it.. my problem with national health care HERE is that our government f**ks up EVERYTHING it touches.. look at social security.. do you really want the same people in charge of your health care.. i most certainly do NOT... if government was revamped on a HUGE scale then national health care might be a very viable solution.... and believe it or not.. socialism at its core may NOT be a bad thing.. the PROBLEM is the GROSS allowance of abuse.. I constantly speak against socialism due to the abuse... i really dont believe that OUR nation could ever do socialism correctly.. WAY too many freeloaders.. socialism for us would just equate to more people doing nothing and reaping the benefits of others hard work..

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

I pay roughly 250 a month in healthcare for my wife/kid. Its 80/20 care, meaning they cover 80%, and i pay 20% plus a 35 dollar co-pay. With that said, i think its pretty irresponsible of you to decide not to have health insurance so you can have some pocket money. By you not having health insurance for yourself and GF, who would pay if something were to happen to you and you were hospitalized? (god forbid). Its not fair to me, as a tax payer, to pick up your tab because you would rather spend money on fun things, rather than pay for health insurance.

Oh yeah, because it's irresponsible to not have money taken out of your paycheck so you can better provide for your family. Real great logic. "Hey honey, let's lose the house so we can get healthcare, ok?"

I think it's irresponsible to pick healthcare OVER providing a better life financially for your family.

I take it you've never been in the position to have to choose healthcare over paying a bill, or losing your car?

if you want healthcare like japan and france, pack up and move The healthcare in America is second-to-none, i bet healthcare is cheap in afghanistan......why dont we just adopt their system

No, our healthcare is more along the lines of Sixth to None.

Because Afghanistan doesn't have the type of healthcare France, Japan, Germany and other countries do.

I think the one thing thats worse than paying for someone who is too lazy to pay for their own.....is paying for an illegals health care.....

There's a difference between someone who can afford healthcare and makes the decision NOT to take it and someone who cannot afford healthcare.

 

[got traction]

Oh yeah, because it's irresponsible to not have money taken out of your paycheck so you can better provide for your family. Real great logic. "Hey honey, let's lose the house so we can get healthcare, ok?"

I think it's irresponsible to pick healthcare OVER providing a better life financially for your family.

I take it you've never been in the position to have to choose healthcare over paying a bill, or losing your car?

If you dont put yourself in that position, its not a problem.


Its cool....just sit on your ass and smoke weed, I'll pick up the tab when you need to go to the doctor

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

Its cool....just sit on your ass and smoke weed, I'll pick up the tab when you need to go to the doctor

Oh yeah, that's what I do, I smoke weed. Get off your high horse. I've already said I have my own healthcare

 

[oc_civic]

If you dont put yourself in that position, its not a problem.


Its cool....just sit on your ass and smoke weed, I'll pick up the tab when you need to go to the doctor

you already do pick up the tab.. you pick up the tab for ALL the uninsured.. that is partially why health care is so f**king expensive..

every time someone stumbles into the ER.. and they render care.. and then said patience cuts loose without ever paying a dime.. do you think that the hospital is going to absorb that cost? NO they are going to inflate other fees to make up for NOT getting paid..

the whole system is really f**ked up.. him having health care.. or me getting health care, is going to have ZERO impact on the greater scheme of things...

we need some type of national reform.. to the point of national health care? no I don't think so.. but something has to happen.. people should not be financial slaves to health insurance.. $250.. $300.. $500... a month may seem like pennies to you.. but to others it is a s**t ton of money..

while one persons choice may be "health care or new rims" some people are dealing more realistically with "health care or food"

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

you already do pick up the tab.. you pick up the tab for ALL the uninsured.. that is partially why health care is so f**king expensive..

every time someone stumbles into the ER.. and they render care.. and then said patience cuts loose without ever paying a dime.. do you think that the hospital is going to absorb that cost? NO they are going to inflate other fees to make up for NOT getting paid..

the whole system is really f**ked up.. him having health care.. or me getting health care, is going to have ZERO impact on the greater scheme of things...

we need some type of national reform.. to the point of national health care? no I don't think so.. but something has to happen.. people should not be financial slaves to health insurance.. $250.. $300.. $500... a month may seem like pennies to you.. but to others it is a s**t ton of money..

while one persons choice may be "health care or new rims" some people are dealing more realistically with "health care or food"

 

[dank24]

Try going to school, dealing with their responsibilities, and then make your statement.

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

Try going to school, dealing with their responsibilities, and then make your statement.

I'll make it again and again. They don't need to make that much.

 

[dank24]

I'll make it again and again. They don't need to make that much.

what about lawyers, Judges, and ceo"s of corporations? Those people are making a lot more and not helping no one. From lies, opinions and knowing textbook knowledge? I believe saving lives is deff a worthy cause.

 

[sf22189]

OP, stop your whining and become socialist like the rest of the country.

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

what about lawyers, Judges, and ceo"s of corporations? Those people are making a lot more and not helping no one. From lies, opinions and knowing textbook knowledge? I believe saving lives is deff a worthy cause.

If you've read my past posts you'd know I'd said CEOs and such need pay cuts as well.

 

[LowNotSlow]

My last visit to the ER to get my neck checked out after an accident came with a $1,400 bill. I didn't even see a doctor, I saw a practicing nurse and she was in the room for a total of 15 minutes. So I spent 10 minutes with triage, 10 minutes with the billing lady and 15 minutes with the practicing nurse. 35 minutes = $1,400.

The xrays were a different bill ($175).

 

[vjf915]

^Wowwww, that is crazy.

 

[Jersey8]

My last visit to the ER to get my neck checked out after an accident came with a $1,400 bill. I didn't even see a doctor, I saw a practicing nurse and she was in the room for a total of 15 minutes. So I spent 10 minutes with triage, 10 minutes with the billing lady and 15 minutes with the practicing nurse. 35 minutes = $1,400.

The xrays were a different bill ($175).

yep, i broke my pinky in 3 places and i went in there, went to triage, took xray, they put a splint and ace bandage around my hand/pinky, and sent me on my way. $1600

 

[got traction]

you also have to remember that most of the doctors arnt actually employed by the Hospital. When you get an xray, the tech takes the image then someone else who isnt paid by the hospital looks at the image.

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

you also have to remember that most of the doctors arnt actually employed by the Hospital.

Then who employs them? Some hospitals the doctors own the hospital, otherwise, as far as I know, the doctors are employed by the hospital.

When you get an xray, the tech takes the image then someone else who isnt paid by the hospital looks at the image.

When I went to the hospital to get an xray, it was all done in house.

 

[got traction]

Then who employs them? Some hospitals the doctors own the hospital, otherwise, as far as I know, the doctors are employed by the hospital.

They usually have their own practice, and they are the ones who actually get your money. Hospitals usually dont actually have many doctors 'employed'

When I went to the hospital to get an xray, it was all done in house.

yes, it is done in house, but usually the xray tech works for the hospital, but the radiologist (who has a PhD) bills seperate.


Both of my parents work in the medical field, so i know more than the average person about how it works