Obama Discussion.. What's he doing?

[joe7987]

Jolly's doing a pretty good job of saying almost exactly what's on my mind in response to this thread. I just have one thing to add...

You guys who are saying that Obama was elected just because he's black... that all of the blacks voted for him simply because he's of a similar race... let me ask you this -

When in history have black people traditionally voted anything aside from democratic? Obviously, not all black people vote the same, but take a look at the majority.. the MASS majority and tell me when we've ever seen a highly republican / non-democratic response? The answer is never.

That being said... maybe this next point is your issue. Maybe your upset that we had a higher voting turnout from the black community in this election because there was a black candidate. Is this a bad thing? More people went out there and voted for the person they wanted to represent them. Republican and otherwise conservative individuals should probably realize something... if all of the people who agreed with liberal ideas voted every time, I don't think we'd ever see a republican president again. Take all of the lower class (socioeconomically) individuals who do not vote right now (I'm sure you know that this number is huge) and have them vote. Do you honestly think they're going to go republican? I understand that what I'm doing right now is speculation, but I also believe that my speculation is justified. Just keep that thought in your head.

 

[paulx022]

This does not seem to be a "What is Obama doing" thread......by your first post it seems to be a "what the hell is wrong with black people" thread. That being said, I do believe that whites are now the minority.....not simply by population, but by the handouts that others get simply by the color of their skin.

I am trying to get into law enforcement. Agencies actually give the upper hand to certain races if they do not have as many portrayed in their department. Thats bullshit. I have absolutely not problem with not being chosen because they chose someone who is colored.....as long as that colored person is more qualified than I am. If I am more fit for the job, I should get it........Period. End of story. Im not racist the least bit. I wouldnt care if my police department was 100% black, as long as they were the most qualified men and women for the job.

On top of that, I often wonder what would happen if a white Tyler Perry existed.....you know, one who made movies that CLEARLY only had white people in the cast, and CLEARLY were only intended for white people to watch. Oh lawdy lawd would Jesse Jackson have a f**king fit.....but I would LOVE to see that happen. I would LOVE to see some white people get scholarships and grants, or get accepted to the job because "they wanted more white people". There would be no way it could be argued with all the organizations built around supporting colored people.

My thread i tried to start with Obama but got side tracked on things that irritate me more, Hmm that would be a good thread.. Things that annoy you that seems to not annoy anybody else lol
But i agree 100% with everything your saying.

 

[paulx022]

Jolly's doing a pretty good job of saying almost exactly what's on my mind in response to this thread. I just have one thing to add...

You guys who are saying that Obama was elected just because he's black... that all of the blacks voted for him simply because he's of a similar race... let me ask you this -

When in history have black people traditionally voted anything aside from democratic? Obviously, not all black people vote the same, but take a look at the majority.. the MASS majority and tell me when we've ever seen a highly republican / non-democratic response? The answer is never.

That being said... maybe this next point is your issue. Maybe your upset that we had a higher voting turnout from the black community in this election because there was a black candidate. Is this a bad thing? More people went out there and voted for the person they wanted to represent them. Republican and otherwise conservative individuals should probably realize something... if all of the people who agreed with liberal ideas voted every time, I don't think we'd ever see a republican president again. Take all of the lower class (socioeconomically) individuals who do not vote right now (I'm sure you know that this number is huge) and have them vote. Do you honestly think they're going to go republican? I understand that what I'm doing right now is speculation, but I also believe that my speculation is justified. Just keep that thought in your head.

Everything you say has nothing to back it up, you just say things in an intelligent way to try to act like you know everything. yeah democrats have always had the black vote in their pocket but in 1992 when bill clinton was elected only 61 percent voted for Clinton. leaving the other 39% elsewhere. Your telling me that in 20 years they got smart and started reading and decided solely on beliefs? fat chance bub. African Americans are going down a dark road in the past 5-10 years and is honestly ruining this country. Don't care who finds this racist because i dont care. I'm not being racist i love when i see a black man doing good for himself and taking care of his family, i accredit that to the 3% who didnt vote for Obama. I'm gonna throw a number out by a guess, 10% of black people know how to raise their family right and dont need help from anybody else.

 

[joe7987]

you just say things in an intelligent way to try to act like you know everything.

I personally admitted that it was speculation. There is no speculation that blacks typically vote liberal or that a lower percentage of blacks than whites even vote at all. However, as I admitted, I did speculate to an extent, but I do believe I have reason to.

yeah democrats have always had the black vote in their pocket but in 1992 when bill clinton was elected only 61 percent voted for Clinton. leaving the other 39% elsewhere.

Yea, "elsewhere", meaning that a small percent voted non-Clinton, and the rest didn't vote at all. By the way, good job pulling up facts from nearly two decades ago. Trends don't change over time or anything

Your telling me that in 20 years they got smart and started reading and decided solely on beliefs? fat chance bub.

Racist remark #1001

African Americans are going down a dark road in the past 5-10 years and is honestly ruining this country.

Racist remark #1002

I'm not being racist i love when i see a black man doing good for himself and taking care of his family, i accredit that to the 3% who didnt vote for Obama.

So only people who don't vote for Obama can be good Mothers and Fathers?.. or does that only apply to black people? Either way....

I'm gonna throw a number out by a guess, 10% of black people know how to raise their family right and dont need help from anybody else.

Racist remark #1003


Now, while I do admit that there is a LOT of reverse racism (minorities "picking on" whites) these days, I think you're one of those few whites who give the rest of us a bad name. You can say you're not racist all you want, but Jolly has it pegged - You just don't want to admit it, or believe it.

 

[paulx022]

honestly.. Everything i said was true. I'm just saying what everybody else knows and what is thinking. If you dont believe that then your very very naive. White people too can be lazy and not know how to take care of themselves or their family, It's not just black people but they are far and few compared to all the black people i see on welfare and all this s**t they dont need. 29.4% of black people in the population go to prison, 37% of black people are on welfare.. Bro wake the f**k up. We need to do something and start making them have to work for s**t! This is getting unbelievable what this country is becoming. If people fail.. THEY f**king FAIL. I understand that welfare is needed yes, but we need to look a little more into who needs it and who doesn't. We need parole officers for welfare. This country was founded on freedom so why not have the freedom to f**k up? if you dont go to school.. its your own fault.. if you drop out.. its your own fault.. if you get pregnant.. its your own fault.. if you get arrested.. own fault once again. Why is everybody being caudaled nowadays, Thats why we're in the debt we're in and why our debt is going to be our children's responsibilty and actually probably most of our responsibility.. Why is nobody f**king doing anything about it.. YOU ALL SHOULD BE PISSED!! they take a s**t ton percentage out of our checks why does nobody care! they are wasting our hard-earned money!! You can do that yourself.

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

honestly.. Everything i said was true.

Yeah, sorry. I'm not going to believer some 18 year old on a Civic forum about politics who throws racist comments left and right. Not going to happen.

I'm just saying what everybody else knows and what is thinking.

Which is?

If you dont believe that then your very very naive.

I'm sorry, but I think you are the naive one here.

White people too can be lazy and not know how to take care of themselves or their family,

Asians can as well.

It's not just black people but they are far and few compared to all the black people i see on welfare and all this s**t they dont need.

Racist Comment #1004

29.4% of black people in the population go to prison, 37% of black people are on welfare.. Bro wake the f**k up.

Wake up from what? I already knew about this. If you actually READ my posts, you'd see this.

We need to do something and start making them have to work for s**t!

Racist Comment #1005. You act if every single black person in this nation is doomed for prison, doesn't care of their kids, on welfare and doesn't do anything else.

This is getting unbelievable what this country is becoming.

I agree.

If people fail.. THEY f**king FAIL.

What are you talking about? Who fails?

I understand that welfare is needed yes, but we need to look a little more into who needs it and who doesn't.

That's been said for awhile.

We need parole officers for welfare.

We do. We have people who actually look into this type of fraud, but the fact that there are so many people on welfare they can't take a look at everyone at the same time and come to an accurate reasonable situation.

This country was founded on freedom so why not have the freedom to f**k up?

You do. It's called Prison, Debt or Lawsuit.

if you dont go to school.. its your own fault..

Not always, some people cannot afford to go to college. Some people do not even have the access to college.

if you drop out.. its your own fault.. if you get pregnant.. its your own fault..

Really? Man! Glad you pointed that out! I never would've thought of that!

if you get arrested.. own fault once again.

Not always. There are quite a few people in jail who are wrongly accused.

Why is everybody being caudaled nowadays

What?

Thats why we're in the debt we're in and why our debt is going to be our children's responsibilty and actually probably most of our responsibility..

We're in debt because we've been electing individuals who cannot properly balance a budget, or one IS presented it gets stonewalled by the other party because they are simply republican or democrat. Period.

Why is nobody f**king doing anything about it..

People are too scared to do anything.

YOU ALL SHOULD BE PISSED!!

I AM! f**k THEM! CORPORATE f**king FATCATS!

they take a s**t ton percentage out of our checks why does nobody care!

If people actually knew how to do taxes you'd be getting a tax return every year.

they are wasting our hard-earned money!! You can do that yourself.

YEAH! f**king CORPORATE FATCATS!

 

[US Sub Vet.]

Here's my $.02.

Obama, he's seriously pushing a socialist nation... one day at a time. Most of that information can be found in that 2300 page bill he signed for Obama-care, that took less than a week to fab up? (correct me if i'm wrong). I work with Germans and European people at my place of work... 100% of them say that the obama (and most of the DEMS) are pushing for socialism, just in slight un-noticeable changes... A great percentage of the nation didn't want the bill, but, he signed it anyways (kinda what Germany does when they raise taxes, they have a dream about making a new tax, take two days to write it up, and then sign it.. w/o giving a damn about the people).

On the note of Obama being christian, there's an interview somewhere on the "interwebs" of an interview with obama while he was running for candidacy. He explained in the interview that he was a christian, however when asked what a sin was he replied (in summary, not quoted): "I believe anything that goes against my personal beliefs is a sin"... this part of the discussion can go into many different arguments, I personally believe he's wrong, but i'm throwing that piece of info out there because that's what we're talking about.... obama.

I also am 100% convinced he's not a citizen of this nation. 1. The current law when obama was born that would have authorized him to be a natural born citizen stated if one of the parents were >18yrs of age and overseas that the child would be a US born citizen. Obama's mama (lol) was not 18, thus, he'd be Kenyan. Obama's g-ma has also stated TWICE that she held him in her arms when he was born IN KENYA, also when private investigators went to the supposed hospital where obama was born the authorities there said that there are medical records of obama at that hospital, but, they are classified as secret documents.
Also, obama started his education in Indonesia, which by their laws required obama to be a citizen of there, allegedly on his school application form it states he is a citizen of Indonesia and a muslim. Finally the only document obama has that's not a forgery is his certificate of live birth WHICH has not even been fully accepted by the state of hawaii. His birth certificate posted on his website has been examined by several professional document examiners and has been concluded it was a fraud. It has the wrong border for the year it was printed, the wrong state seal AND when you zoom in on the signature of the name it is not pixiled like the rest of the typing.

Finally, obama is fully backing the downsizing of the military. Why? They say we don't need it... Why? Because obama is a f**king non-militarized puppet and doesn't seem to think there are many threats out there. SOD Gates agrees we need a smaller navy... why? I don't know... but we need our navy... you people have NO CLUE (unless you're also a veteran) As to what the hell goes on under the waves that keeps your from speaking Russian, Chinese, "insert language here"... That's pretty much all i can say about that.

 

[paulx022]

mr jollypants, you are just taking my words and twisting them to act like every time i say they that i mean black people. Are you sure your not black because that seems to be something THEY do alot too. when i say they in my posts i mean lazy ass f**king people not just black people.

 

[oc_civic]

mr jollypants, you are just taking my words and twisting them to act like every time i say they that i mean black people. Are you sure your not black because that seems to be something THEY do alot too. when i say they in my posts i mean lazy ass f**king people not just black people.

just ignore that.. he got that from me I used to do that ten years ago when we would have debates on this site.... the reality is the country is entirely divided anymore... and it is just a f**king joke.. half of the nation wants it to be a productive one.. where you are responsible for yourself.. your OWN housing.. your OWN health care.. then there is the other half of people who think that everything should be handed to them across the board.. those people can curl up and f**king die as far as I am concerned.. it really doesnt matter what I think.. or what any of you think in this thread.. what will likely happen at some point is the entire economy will collapse and we will sit in a state of civil unrest.... we spend spend spend and spend... everything we f**king do is ridiculous... take the borders... we are attempting to secure an ENTIRE nation (Iraq) but then we claim that we can't secure the US border with Mexico.. the entire Muslim world will continue to seek our demise.. they will continue to send us bombs in the mail.. they will continue to shoot us till we stop meddling in world affairs.. everything is just so f**ked up that it is honestly barely worth discussion... I point out that he SPECIFICALLY is trying to push agenda to aid minorities only.. meaning.. YOU ARE WHITE? GO f**k YOURSELF... but yet paul is the racist.. right.. sure.. looks to me like the communist in chief is the racist one... so let him continue to pander to the poor.. and the illegals.. after all they are the future vote of the Democratic party.. do I think that Republicans got it all right? f**k no.. but it is better than this current bullshit..

 

[SiGSR]

OH SNAP. The white people are actually starting to feel the discrimination. Karma sucks. Equality is finally making it's round.

 

[oc_civic]

OH SNAP. The white people are actually starting to feel the discrimination. Karma sucks. Equality is finally making it's round.

karma are you f**king kidding? equality making its way around? hopefully people like you will keep saying stupid s**t like this so that normal people will wake the f**k up and see just how f**ked up things are..

 

[joe7987]

Why is everybody being caudaled nowadays, Thats why we're in the debt we're in and why our debt is going to be our children's responsibilty and actually probably most of our responsibility..

You know Jolly.. CAUDALED.. Here's the definition

1. of or like a tail
2. at or near the tail

So it's clear really. Why are we all hanging around tails. We're always doing that and there should be no question as to why we're in debt.







I've read the rest of the thread, and I've made my ideas known. This is one of those debates that will go on and on until we're all tired of arguing (as many threads before this one have done). So, I'll make my peace and part ways with this thread as best as I can.

 

[SiGSR]

karma are you f**king kidding? equality making its way around? hopefully people like you will keep saying stupid s**t like this so that normal people will wake the f**k up and see just how f**ked up things are..

Why are you crying? Obama was ELECTED into office. He has his own agenda, like every other president before him. If you don't like it, then vote him out in the next election.

People like you are only outrage because slowly but surely, to be a minority is to be white. Don't be scared now.

 

[oc_civic]

Why are you crying? Obama was ELECTED into office. He has his own agenda, like every other president before him. If you don't like it, then vote him out in the next election.

People like you are only outrage because slowly but surely, to be a minority is to be white. Don't be scared now.

trust me I am not scared... but people like you are POISON to society.. people like you suffer from the delusion that I am somehow responsible for things like slavery.. maybe if you people would get over yourselves and how hard someone's great great great grandmother had it we would get somewhere.. but no.. that involves too much effort.. far easier to cast blame towards everyone else... the black student in school doesn't fail because he lacks the discipline to study.. he fails because the test is racially bias.. the young latino man who robs the liquor store.. he isn't bad.. he is just reacting to a society that is unfair to minorities.. the drugged up black man who rapes and murders... he is not evil.. he is just reacting to years of racial oppression.. there is this thing.. called accountability.. once people f**king learn it.. and stop making f**king excuses maybe we can all learn to stand on our own two feet.. I learned it years ago, when I wanted something and my family could not afford to buy me s**t.. instead of robbing the local gas station I went out and got a f**king job.. that was about 17 years ago.. and I have not been jobless since.. years of hard work.. sadly something many would not know, because it is far easier to be a lazy piece of s**t and just wait for someone else to provide.. after all that IS the American way after all..

 

[joe7987]

Why are you crying? Obama was ELECTED into office. He has his own agenda, like every other president before him. If you don't like it, then vote him out in the next election.

People like you are only outrage because slowly but surely, to be a minority is to be white. Don't be scared now.

Reverse racism? I think it's rearing its head.

There's no karma. I didn't do anything to anybody. I've never made an honestly racist or discriminative remark in my life (did beat a kid down in high school once for calling me a "cracker" though.) The only discrimination I've been a part of in my life, is the lack of "gifts" for me because my skin is white.

Scholarships? Go look for a scholarship that says "This scholarship is for young white middle class males who demonstrate excellence... blah blah" You won't find it. Go find one that says "This scholarship is for young asians... etc." and you'll find a million.

Free speech? Imagine if I went ahead and put a big banner that says "White pride!" on my car. I might get shot. If nothing else, I'd get severe looks of disapproval.. and it might be difficult for me to find a job. Have you ever seen a banner that says "Latino Pride!" I'm sure you have.

Stereotypes? Ever heard white boys can't dance? White boys can't jump? White boys have no rhythm? etc... If I go and say "Black guys can't read." Is that ok too? No it's not. So how are the others ok?

If you think I owe you anything, you're crazy. If you think you owe me anything, you're crazy. As far as I'm concerned, we're on equal grounds and I think you should stop punishing white people for things their ancestors (probably not my ancestors.. italian and irish from the north) have done to your ancestors (maybe). Don't promote inequality and there won't be inequality. There are a few white trash bastards out their still, but trust me, white people hate them and make fun of them as much as the minorities do. Keep that in mind.

 

[SiGSR]

trust me I am not scared... but people like you are POISON to society.. people like you suffer from the delusion that I am somehow responsible for things like slavery.. maybe if you people would get over yourselves and how hard someone's great great great grandmother had it we would get somewhere.. but no.. that involves too much effort.. far easier to cast blame towards everyone else... the black student in school doesn't fail because he lacks the discipline to study.. he fails because the test is racially bias.. the young latino man who robs the liquor store.. he isn't bad.. he is just reacting to a society that is unfair to minorities.. the drugged up black man who rapes and murders... he is not evil.. he is just reacting to years of racial oppression.. there is this thing.. called accountability.. once people f**king learn it.. and stop making f**king excuses maybe we can all learn to stand on our own two feet.. I learned it years ago, when I wanted something and my family could not afford to buy me s**t.. instead of robbing the local gas station I went out and got a f**king job.. that was about 17 years ago.. and I have not been jobless since.. years of hard work.. sadly something many would not know, because it is far easier to be a lazy piece of s**t and just wait for someone else to provide.. after all that IS the American way after all..

Wow, talk about undercover racism. Since when did everyone that fail in school or commit a crime use their skin color as an excuse? You seem to think that all minorities abuse the system and use their skin color as a way for a free handout.

I only intrigued you with the idea that it's time the white people share some of the discrimination and you blow up quick to make use of the race card. You can be white and pull the race card as well. Like I said, equality is making it's round.

 

[SiGSR]

Reverse racism? I think it's rearing its head.

There's no karma. I didn't do anything to anybody. I've never made an honestly racist or discriminative remark in my life (did beat a kid down in high school once for calling me a "cracker" though.) The only discrimination I've been a part of in my life, is the lack of "gifts" for me because my skin is white.

Scholarships? Go look for a scholarship that says "This scholarship is for young white middle class males who demonstrate excellence... blah blah" You won't find it. Go find one that says "This scholarship is for young asians... etc." and you'll find a million.

Free speech? Imagine if I went ahead and put a big banner that says "White pride!" on my car. I might get shot. If nothing else, I'd get severe looks of disapproval.. and it might be difficult for me to find a job. Have you ever seen a banner that says "Latino Pride!" I'm sure you have.

Stereotypes? Ever heard white boys can't dance? White boys can't jump? White boys have no rhythm? etc... If I go and say "Black guys can't read." Is that ok too? No it's not. So how are the others ok?

If you think I owe you anything, you're crazy. If you think you owe me anything, you're crazy. As far as I'm concerned, we're on equal grounds and I think you should stop punishing white people for things their ancestors (probably not my ancestors.. italian and irish from the north) have done to your ancestors (maybe). Don't promote inequality and there won't be inequality. There are a few white trash bastards out their still, but trust me, white people hate them and make fun of them as much as the minorities do. Keep that in mind.

I agree with what you say.

Not once did I blame white people for anything. I just merely joked at the welcoming to being discriminated.

 

[paulx022]

OC, i love the way you actually say the truth. You say things that are EXACTLY the way i feel.
SiGSR, you are seriously f**ked in the head if you believe anything you are saying.. Real Talk.

 

[SiGSR]

OC, i love the way you actually say the truth. You say things that are EXACTLY the way i feel.
SiGSR, you are seriously f**ked in the head if you believe anything you are saying.. Real Talk.

Nah, just trolling like you had been.

 

[paulx022]

Nah, just trolling like you had been.

well thats why its in the general section? if you dont like it.. gtfo