knock-offs lowered my IQ

[buzzbombtom]

so i was going to buy some volks because i knew the quality was second to none, but then i saw the EXACT same rims for half the price, so i bought them. the next thing i know they bent, oh well they were cheap enough to buy 2 sets for the price of the name brand... next i was going to buy some recarros for my car but over a grand for some seats, eh, its not like they can save my life in a crash? next i was going to buy a beaks lower bar but found out that knockoff was cheaper, and beaks stopped making them because no one was buying the real thing as the knock off was cheaper, and hell its just a piece of metal, what could be so different? if i dont tell anyone that my stuff is knock offs no one will know right?

knock-offs killed the industry- just sayin. here is a great introspective look into how knockoff companies can get away with stealing innovative designs, and how it has killed the industry. maybe think about it before you buy your next knock-off rota, or your next vis carbon fiber product, or your next lip.

dont fake it till you make it. for my sanity at least.

THE REAL JDM IS HERE

 

[R3dline]

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

Lets seee.. $200 bucks for a VF hood, $2000 for a genuine. which are the masses going to pick?

If you're going out of business because no one is buying your product, you should step back and go "Maybe something more is going on here than we think."

If your price is too high, only those who can truely afford it, will buy it, but the other 90% aren't.

Another point, unless your REALLY into JDM parts, 90% of the people buying parts don't even know who Voltex is, and think Seibon is the original creator. Instead of blaming people for buying knock off parts, blame the companies creating them.

 

[buzzbombtom]

see but the reason the price is 2k is due to research, and development, you got to sell them for a pretty high price to keep the lights on, you own a business you know the drill. i do agree that a lot of the responsibility falls on the buyers, and that is why i titled it "knock-offs lowered my iq" because people naturally look for the cheapest deal, and they sometimes chose to not care about quality. they are saying that people buying knock off will eventually end innovation.

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

The responsability doesn't fall on buyers, it falls on companies. How does it fall on the buyers? They see a product in a magazine, go "Oh cool. I want that" and buy it, not knowing it's a knock off.

Company goes "Oh, that's cool, we got to have that." they then produce a CF hood that looks exactly like Voltex's, they then run full page adverts on the product.

Who is more to blame? The buyer who only knows of Seibons version, or Seibon for copying a product and making money off of it?

People buying knock offs won't end innovation because most of the kids buying the products don't know they are knock offs. The companies producing the knock offs are going to end innovation in the import world.

 

[TigBitties]

my thoughts, even if there wasnt knock off brands out there they still wouldn't get very many sales. i know very few people who can afford a $2000 dollar hood.

 

[00_Civic_Si]

 

[TigBitties]

qft

 

[00_Civic_Si]

qft..?

 

[Ekboi126]

quite f***ing true.

 

[Hecz]

Killed what industry?

The manufacturing industry? nope. Yea, Rota cast their wheels and the "better" brands forges them. OK? Does that mean the forging method is not going to used ever again? lol absolutely not.

The engineering industry? nope, actually, a whole new industry has developed, With intentions of Stealing something from someone else? No. Reverse engineering industry. Reverse engineering can now allow for a product to be developed better then the product is, where it be oem or non oem. oem products are not perfect, nothing is.

Design industry? nope, Designers are still needed everywhere and anywhere. Knock offs wheels : Yea, the Design is like an existing design, but it's not as easy as just snapping your fingers and the product appears in front of you. Do you really think the companies that created these original designs are not profiting? There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes.


How do we not know if The seat at 200 dollars still has or has not all the research and development that the 2000 dollar seat has. I don't know if you know that, but i sure as hell don't know. Remember, the better company is also selling you their name, now that my friend, cost alot. With today's technology you can recreate something very accurately. If you're recreating a part that was engineered well, then guess what, your re-design is also going to have some of those characteristics as the part being re-designed.

The big issue is when Design patents are violated and profited from. Hate those who violate patents designs, not the consumers. If you don't patent your design, then you're a sucker, special in the type of world he are living now. Simple as that.

And here’s Seibon’s version, which simply came from buying one authentic Voltex hood and then making a cheaper replica (which of course they can sell cheaper since they saved all of the R&D, molding and tooling costs):

1. Initial R&D. After Seibon bought that hood from Vortex, R&D kept rolling. Again, its not just a snap of the fingers thing and slapping your brand name on.

2. Did that hood have a design patent and manufacturing patent ? If it did, go after Siobon, not Me because all i did was a google search and BOOM, found a hood i like for an affordable price.



If you think Knock-offers killed the "industry", be more scare of the DIY'ers movement.

I believe your taking about the "i love jdm brand car parts" industry.

Consumers want reliable, and affordable products.

 

[253eg]

 

[Logan98036wa]

no a tsunami killed the industry.

 

[JohnS.]

Without customers, a company won't exist. A customer is more to blame than the company, as long as the company is producing products that please customers enough to come back or have them have others buy their products.

Knock-off's didn't really "kill" the industry, people just choose to spend their money on things that aren't expensive as hell. Think about it... How many people are going to spend $600 for 1 wheel when they can spend that much for 4? How many TRULY knowledgeable car enthusiasts do you know out there???? I'm willing to bet if you walk up to any Honda owner that has modified their Honda, 7 times out of 10, they won't know what the hell you're talking about if you ask them whether they prefer Volk's or Rota's. I mean read car magazines like SuperStreet. The ones where every 5 pages, you see companies advertising their knock-off products (here I agree it's the companies fault for not enough advertisement).

Customer's aren't going to magically know about quality brand name products that have had years of R&D. Kids go to a grocery store while they wait for mommy and daddy to buy groceries, pick up magazines like Super Street, and go "ooooo look at those wheels dude. Voxx? Look at the price!!! Let's look that up when we go home. "

Companies are always competing against each other. And especially in an economy like this, more than likely, people are going to buy the knock-off parts.

 

[AutoFanatik]

Wow...logan....suck a cock. and i mean that in the meanest way possible. you fuking jackass. yes this is the internet, yes im getting serious ...when i tell you to swallow a bullet. fuking shitbird


Mods- I'll gladly take a warning for that if you deem it necessary.

 

[JohnS.]

no a tsunami killed the industry.

Wow...logan....suck a cock. and i mean that in the meanest way possible. you fuking jackass. yes this is the internet, yes im getting serious ...when i tell you to swallow a bullet. fuking s***bird


Mods- I'll gladly take a warning for that if you deem it necessary.

I didn't even see that.

That's just uncalled for...

 

[AutoFanatik]

lil bit

 

[253eg]

 

[vjf915]

quite f***ing true.

Quoted for truth. That's why you quote it when you say QFT.

 

[R3dline]

why are we getting edited now? we cant say s**t, or f**k anymore?