have a look at this: http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/05/31/36936.htm
Civilians Arrested For Dancing At Jefferson Memorial
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check this out cop shoots and kills a deaf wood carver in the back he was a 50 year old native artists .
http://www.policeone.com/police-products/firearms/articles/3085468-Video-Cop-shoots-deaf-knife-holding-woodcarver/
http://www.policeone.com/police-products/firearms/articles/3085468-Video-Cop-shoots-deaf-knife-holding-woodcarver/
A guy is walking down the street with a knife in his hands, does the officer know that he is deaf or that he is a woodcarver? Not a chance in hell. All the officer knows is that there's a guy walking down the street in a pretty densely populated area, and the guy doesn't obey the commands of the officer. Every other detail is NOTHING that he could have known before the confrontation. A police officer CANNOT assume that someone walking down the street with a knife is a woodcarver, and CANNOT assume that someone who does not listen to their commands is deaf. You can't count on both your hands the amount of times in a day that a police officer comes across somebody who doesn't listen to their commands, so why should he assume that this guy is any different? Does the situation suck? Yes. Am I justifying the cops actions? No. But you're trying to make this out to be like officers just go out looking for reasons to fire their gun at somebody.
here some more of the boys in blue action hmm i wonder why there trying to make it illegal to film cops in public .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAfN0D3a6Aw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAfN0D3a6Aw
the problem is lack of gray area.. in order to maintain order at a place of that magnitude there has to be laws in place to prevent complete chaos.. while THESE people were totally innocent and doing NO harm.. imagine some crazy mosh pit or something.. so they have rules in place there.. you can come.. visit it.. see it... but it is within the context of going to a museum.. anyone who knows me will tell you that I am all for freedom.. I am NOT one for a police state... that is not my style.. but I also don't like when people seek confrontation with people who are just doing their jobs.. even with that said.. the police did respond with what I perceive to be excessive force.. but that is simply training.. once a police officer commits to placing you under arrest.. he is to get and maintain control of you as quickly and as safely as possible.. once someone understands they are going to jail they become more of a risk.. as their level of response may escalate.. so you are a police officer.. in an area that may potentially be a high risk target.. there is a lot of tension in the air world wide with riots.. protests.. terrorism.. etc.. then this s**t happens...you are just doing your job neutralizing the situation as quickly as possible..
just saying..
just saying..
I got to talk to his brother matter of factly. I was up in Seattle not too terribly long ago after hearing of this tragedy and just so happened to walk by the dedication totem pole. I didn't read the article here because frankly, the way both sides handled the story was not pertinent to helping.
That being said, at least from his brothers stand point (his brother didn't take any of the funds, as he doesn't believe that any amount of money is worthy of his brothers life), the shooting was not justifiable. There had been reports that John(the wood carver) in days previous had been belligerently drunk and wielding the same 3" knife in a menacing fashion. This led his brother to believe that the shooting was more than a mere 'accident' especially considering he had been there when the police (in the past) had singled out John for his alcohol use. The thing that bothers me the most is that it was pretty well known throughout the department who John was (and even later articles pointed this out) and that when the shots were fired, a majority, if not all, hit John in the back and the back right side of him. Of course we can't see it with the dash cam but Officer Birk (who later resigned, go figure) proceeded to fire upon John when he would not return the officers commands. If you listen in the video, even civillians around the shooting are screaming that he didn't do anything wrong. Don't get me wrong, the guy didn't respond to commands which I can see as being a negative, but why do you need to fire 5 rounds off into the back and side of a guy who isn't a threat? I don't agree with the family going after the 1.5mil settlement at all, but whatever helps them sleep at night. I will permanently be haunted by the story his brother told me, especially the fact that John was well known within the department, and they still opened fire on him with no recourse.
Ok, ok, I understand the cop fired upon the man because he wasn't responding to his commands, BUT, was he running at anyone, no. Was he screaming "Im gonna kill you", no. Now we can't see what actually happened, but really, 5 shots to stop someone who isn't even doing anything except holding a tool(yes, I know it can be a weapon) because he was enjoying his hobby. Tackling the guy or tasering him would have been a way better way to subdue the guy.
Vic, I know you will dispute this post, which you have all the right to, but my opinion of cops is that they suck. Cops around here become real dicks near the end of the month. They look for anything or anybody that they can give a ticket to, to fill they're quota.
As for lowlife's link about the cops smashing the dudes face into the concrete, f**king BS. What is he gonna do, roll away. f**king cops power tripping.
Vic, I know you will dispute this post, which you have all the right to, but my opinion of cops is that they suck. Cops around here become real dicks near the end of the month. They look for anything or anybody that they can give a ticket to, to fill they're quota.
As for lowlife's link about the cops smashing the dudes face into the concrete, f**king BS. What is he gonna do, roll away. f**king cops power tripping.
No sir, neither of those uses of force would have been a good decision as well. Knives are dangerous tools, and there are many people capable of performing a multiple slash attack that will not only kill you, but spill out your guts before you can say "stop". For this exact reason, the standard distance for an officer to open fire on a suspect with a knife is 20 feet. Therefore tackling someone with a knife is NOT a smart move.
A taser is a less than lethal use of force, think bean bags being fired out of shotguns. Using a taser is NOT an approved method of force to use when someone isn't responding to your commands. Would using a taser have been better than shooting him? OF COURSE. But it still would have been excessive.
I'm not justifying the officers actions by any means, so don't get me wrong.
A taser gun is a better choice. With a taser, the guy wouldn't have died.
last year a cop killed a teen in the town over from me with a tase gun he shot him in the chest with it and held the trigger down instead of pulsing it and stopped his heart. im telling you the police in my town are horrible we don't even have a police chief rite now because the last one got fired for having child porn on his work computer and the only one qualified to take his place the town committee doesn't want him there because of his corrupted past.
I think I heard of that lowlife. Just BS
:Im not saying they didnt save lives. I just think there's a better way to subdue people.
I've been shot with a taser in the chest, doesn't feel to good. The cop didn't have to kill him with it, he could just shock his muscles to make him stop what he was doing.
I've been shot with a taser in the chest, doesn't feel to good. The cop didn't have to kill him with it, he could just shock his muscles to make him stop what he was doing.
Yes, there are MUCH better ways to subdue people than shooting them in the back 5 times with a gun. I'm not denying that at all, never have. All I'm saying is that this ONE instance does not mean that all cops are bad. There are SOME bad cops, just like there are bad people in any profession. It's VERY unfortunate, and I feel incredibly sorry for the guys family.
I understand that. When I say cops are assholes, I know not all of them are, but there is ALOT.