Whats up c.c. I was talking to my buddy and explained how im having second thoughts on doing a swap due to the little difference i will get from my stock d. Thats when he said to get a gsr and just s/c it. How reliable would that be and what would be needed to do that? It is a thought i would like to find more about. NO on the turbo though... it will be too much money for maintanance and prepping the engine to handle it. Plus i d.d. my car and can't have it in the shop for a long time. Thanks for any info regarding supercharging the gsr/b18c1.
supercharging a gsr?
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How long did his run for? I plan to buy the quality swap from hmotorsonline. What will need to be done to make safe power?
I don't think you'll be happy with it really. My cousin had a jrsc on his gsr and only made 220 on 8 pounds. I took it off, threw on a good turbo kit that was cheaper than the supercharger build and made 285 on 7 psi. Pulls harder and more fun to drive.why do you only want to go the supercharger route though? You'll basically have to do the same things as turbo.
I was under the impression i couldnt do a turbo without tons of engine work. Am i wrong? Its not exactly the numbers im concerned with, it is the everyday driveability. I need this car to last at least 2 years. Thanks for the info though!
nope a stock gsr will handle a bit of boost just fine..but it really depends on how you build your turbo kit such as turbo size and how many psi's you run..
there is a safe zone
my cousin's gsr was all stock with just arp headstuds
im not as awesome as 2slo4u however with your standard t3/t4 turbo and fmic. on a stock d engine you can run 8 pounds of boost which is a lil over 200whp. internals i.e. rods and what not can handle 10 for a lil while but will fail. give a hp goal that you want first. like 5-600 just spins wheels for a normal driver on the streets. fun is about 200+. while your best bet is a simple small turbo so it can spool quickly and you can make decent power. just do a headgasket and headstuds replacement and keep the boost low and get a crazy good tune. and btw turbo is exhaust driven with lag but can actually help for gas mileage and allows for so much more fun. and cheaper too. while supercharge is belt driven and always running so it takes more gas.
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" turbo is exhaust driven with lag but can actually help for gas mileage and allows for so much more fun. and cheaper too. while supercharge is belt driven and always running so it takes more gas"
very valid point dear sir! im willing to bet this could be the deciding factor on this build....looking forward to hearing the outcome of this!
very valid point dear sir! im willing to bet this could be the deciding factor on this build....looking forward to hearing the outcome of this!
here goes the psi debate again...
the stock block can handle about 325-350 hp safely on a GSR
the psi is irrelevant and really dependent on the turbine in the build...
You won't be happy with a supercharger unless you're running one on an LS, with Vtec engagement on the GSR you won't see the same benefits as if you turbo charged the car. RPM/valve timing = more exhaust flow, more exhaust flow = more revolutions of the turbine, more revolutions of the turbine = more CFM into the intake which when coupled with the appropriate fuel mix = MORE POWER
the supercharger is a fixed rate system dependent on the belt speeds, not the exhaust flow and tops out MUCH faster than the turbo charger, thus making your power potential ceiling much much lower.
for a mild build 200-225 you can build one for less than $1k
Eclipse turbo (internal WG)
ebay cast log manifold
blue top DSM injectors with resistor box
ebay intercooler/ piping
tap the pan
sandwich plate
piggyback tuning
easily done
the stock block can handle about 325-350 hp safely on a GSR
the psi is irrelevant and really dependent on the turbine in the build...
You won't be happy with a supercharger unless you're running one on an LS, with Vtec engagement on the GSR you won't see the same benefits as if you turbo charged the car. RPM/valve timing = more exhaust flow, more exhaust flow = more revolutions of the turbine, more revolutions of the turbine = more CFM into the intake which when coupled with the appropriate fuel mix = MORE POWER
the supercharger is a fixed rate system dependent on the belt speeds, not the exhaust flow and tops out MUCH faster than the turbo charger, thus making your power potential ceiling much much lower.
for a mild build 200-225 you can build one for less than $1k
Eclipse turbo (internal WG)
ebay cast log manifold
blue top DSM injectors with resistor box
ebay intercooler/ piping
tap the pan
sandwich plate
piggyback tuning
easily done
pretty much just wrapped it up for yah!
besides the fact that idk wat sandwich plate and piggyback tuning is, this is exactly. for the love of god listen when he says psi is no where near the first or even 50th question. psi is related to turbo size and if you wanna wait to be able to make a sandwich while it spools aka gt42r.
Did a basic write-up a few weeks back on the basics of boost. The principle applies to SC too, as it's still boost. Your engine will still need the same mods if you want to make good power.
http://www.clubcivic.com/board/showthread.php?t=213882
For what you want (reliable, speedy DD), I'd go with a turbo kit. GSR's are a bit higher compression, and a little more temperamental, but if you build/tune right, they're fun.
Let's put it this way. I had a DD turbo LS integra, and when I first put the kit together and boosted, I was only on 6lbs (about 210hp or so). I beat this dude's supercharged (Jackson) EP3 Si repeatedly. He was pissed lol.
http://www.clubcivic.com/board/showthread.php?t=213882
For what you want (reliable, speedy DD), I'd go with a turbo kit. GSR's are a bit higher compression, and a little more temperamental, but if you build/tune right, they're fun.
Let's put it this way. I had a DD turbo LS integra, and when I first put the kit together and boosted, I was only on 6lbs (about 210hp or so). I beat this dude's supercharged (Jackson) EP3 Si repeatedly. He was pissed lol.
Also, yes, psi/bar is irrelevant without knowing the size of your turbo. A smaller turbo boosting 10psi is NOTHING like a gt40 boosting 10psi. When I refer to psi, I'm referring to boosting a t25 or t3/t4.
Sorry for back to back double posting
Thanks everybody for the info. What is a sandwich plate? haha
also I dont want to push the car to hard just reliable boosted gsr.
I read your thread actually tokyoskies. You didnt elaborate however on the gsr. If i do put a small dsm turbo on it with a good tune, what will i need to do to the motor? As stated previously, im not trying to break records. haha
also I dont want to push the car to hard just reliable boosted gsr.
I read your thread actually tokyoskies. You didnt elaborate however on the gsr. If i do put a small dsm turbo on it with a good tune, what will i need to do to the motor? As stated previously, im not trying to break records. haha
a sandwich plate goes between your block and your oil filter that has holes for fittings such as oil pressure gauge or a oil feed line.
if you put a small turbo, such as a t25 on your gsr you wont have to do any internal work..as long as your motor is healthy, boost away
just remember to tune it
if you put a small turbo, such as a t25 on your gsr you wont have to do any internal work..as long as your motor is healthy, boost away
just remember to tune it
Ooooh okay. Glad to know I can boost it. Im buying it from hmotorsonline so it should be good. While its out i might buy some arp headstuds and a racing headgasket just for security.