6th gen 96-00 Question?

[v2famous]

I'm looking for a new "project" something more lightweight and stronger then my 01 civic

Out of 96-00 civic coupes which would be the best one to get? And that has the most mods available for it. "Not doing a swap, only thing I would consider swapping would be a 6 speed tranny"
Just mods, fuel system upgrades, suspension kit etc

Which engine is stronger?

 

[CO671]

A Civic that has the most mods for it? That's what Civic's are popular for, huge aftermarket. If you want real power, look into forced induction. Civic's don't respond well to bolt-ons... They're 4 cylinders not V6s or 3 liter + motors
DX Coupe - D16Y7 - single cam nonvtec, around 106hp biggest reason to motor swap .
EX Coupe - D16Y8 - single cam vtec, only 20hp more than the Y7
On stock internals, the D16y7 and D16y8 can only safely push around 200hp with a fairly tuned turbo setup.
SI Coupe - B16A2 - dual cam vtec, pushes around 160hp



Suspension kit: Koni/GC are recommended

 

[CHILD]

the 96-00 civics are old and therefore have a retarded amount of modifications available for the few factory given engines they come with. The 99-00 civic Si would be the highest performance engine to start with.

I believe the honda engines do respond well to bolt-ons when you consider the hp/liter output....of course it seems weak when you consider the peak numbers versus larger engines.

oh, and you will not be swapping a 6 speed transmission into anything in the 96-00 range without first swaping a K series, J series, or (ap1/2) F series into the chassis.

 

[mylovehx]

A Civic that has the most mods for it? That's what Civic's are popular for, huge aftermarket. If you want real power, look into forced induction. Civic's don't respond well to bolt-ons... They're 4 cylinders not V6s or 3 liter + motors
DX Coupe - D16Y7 - single cam nonvtec, around 106hp biggest reason to motor swap .
EX Coupe - D16Y8 - single cam vtec, only 20hp more than the Y7
On stock internals, the D16y7 and D16y8 can only safely push around 200hp with a fairly tuned turbo setup.
SI Coupe - B16A2 - dual cam vtec, pushes around 160hp/no torque



Suspension kit: Koni/GC are recommended

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATER and also fixed

 

[mylovehx]

the 96-00 civics are old and therefore have a retarded amount of modifications available for the few factory given engines they come with. The 99-00 civic Si would be the highest performance engine to start with.

I believe the honda engines do respond well to bolt-ons when you consider the hp/liter output....of course it seems weak when you consider the peak numbers versus larger engines.

oh, and you will not be swapping a 6 speed transmission into anything in the 96-00 range without first swaping a K series, J series, or (ap1/2) F series into the chassis.

I'm not one for swaps really, but I seriously wouldn't mind a beefy J swap.

 

[v2famous]

So basically anything on that range is the same unless it's a SI

if I do find a SI how do I actually tell because I know a lot of people who just slap the emblems on it

 

[TokyoSkies]

So basically anything on that range is the same unless it's a SI

if I do find a SI how do I actually tell because I know a lot of people who just slap the emblems on it

If you don't see this motor under the hood:

Than it's either fake, or it's been swapped.

Just below the head, there's a stamp on the block. It should read "B16A". Also, run the vin through Carfax or something of the like (you should do this anyway...).

 

[takeachance]

So basically anything on that range is the same unless it's a SI

if I do find a SI how do I actually tell because I know a lot of people who just slap the emblems on it

the vin will be EM1XXXXX and not ej8XXXXXX or whatever else

 

[mylovehx]

EM1's or over priced imo

 

[v2famous]

This is a horrible question but what is the difference between all the series of the engines?
K, j, d, b? Etc

 

[CO671]

This is a horrible question but what is the difference between all the series of the engines?
K, j, d, b? Etc

Assuming you're going to keep stock internals on them all:
K (around 200 hp) - You'd want to be looking for a K20A2 if you want the real power from a K, otherwise you're just going to be spending money on a a show engine
J - Honda's v6 engine, a lot more custom work and hood cutting will be needed
D - weakest of Honda's motors, found in Civics, none of them pushing past 150hp stock afaik
B - widely tuned engine, stock can be from 100 - 200 hp depending on which one you get, and can be pushed really far. Widely tuned, meaning there's many setups for it, just find the one you want and follow it or branch off into your own trial-and-error direction.

Personally, i'm going to do a H22 swap in the future (unless I change my mind), it's much cheaper than a complete changeover for a B-series lets say Integra Type R complete changeover (about $4500 from hmotors online) but the H22 swap (200 hp 160 torque, about the same if not in the vicinity of the ITR, sold for around $2500) People say H-swaps put more weight in the front of the car, but they're only 60lbs heavier than the B-series engines.

 

[mylovehx]

h22a's are so much fun

 

[CHILD]

h22's are more costly than just the price for the engine, trans, and ecu. I dont know why people always look past that. It should still come up being less expensive than a full ITR swap but it's not a cheap swap either unless all the parts are picked up second hand from someone getting rid of their swap.

Any of the honda engines can be pushed really far. There are examples of each platform doing so. The money invested in each one and the route of tuning are the only differences.

Assuming you're going to keep stock internals on them all:
K (around 200 hp) - You'd want to be looking for a K20A2 if you want the real power from a K, otherwise you're just going to be spending money on a a show engine
You must not have seen the stock internal 400-500hp turbo K24a4's (longblocks usually sold for 500-800 coupled with a sub $1000 ep3/base rsx trans)If someone can justify a B20 swap for its torque, then its easily outclassed but the bump in power and torque of any k24
J - Honda's v6 engine, a lot more custom work and hood cutting will be needed
Hood cutting is not always needed, it depends on the intake manifold used. The custom part is the wiring. The engines and transmissions are dirt cheap. Remember these V6's came in much older honda models that were not beaten on like most civics/integras.
D - weakest of Honda's motors, found in Civics, none of them pushing past 150hp stock afaik
B - widely tuned engine, stock can be from 100 - 200 hp depending on which one you get, and can be pushed .
When modding with bolt ons, even the highest output B series (usually around $4000 and up unless a rare second hand sale) won't lay down 200whp without digging into the motor for more power making its dollar to hp ratio on par with other options. If it's built or under forced induction then all the other engine options are right in line with the B series.

 

[CO671]

h22's are more costly than just the price for the engine, trans, and ecu. I dont know why people always look past that. It should still come up being less expensive than a full ITR swap but it's not a cheap swap either unless all the parts are picked up second hand from someone getting rid of their swap.

Any of the honda engines can be pushed really far. There are examples of each platform doing so. The money invested in each one and the route of tuning are the only differences.

I need to do more research... Thanks for adding on.
Also Hondas weakest motors are not their car motors =3 and I think fits are weaker. Lseries

 

[v2famous]

Should I stick with my 01 civic?

Or try to find the SI and start on that?

I was planning to get the SI with my taxes if I went that way.

 

[CHILD]

depends on your goals. there's a few turbo kits for the sohc that do pretty well on stock internals. N/A options for the Si are greater at the moment though and the K series takes boost well too but cost jumps up

 

[CO671]

Should I stick with my 01 civic?

Or try to find the SI and start on that?

I was planning to get the SI with my taxes if I went that way.

7th gens are the least modded generation. Has to do with their response to modifications. It's more of an economical car with a stubborn ecu and sensors

 

[6thGenFtw]

theres always the shell route... I know you don't wanna do a swap, but if you found a clean ex dx or si shell you could put a b16 or b18 in there with a good tranny and call it a day

 

[JohnS.]

Assuming you're going to keep stock internals on them all:
K (around 200 hp) - You'd want to be looking for a K20A2 if you want the real power from a K, otherwise you're just going to be spending money on a a show engine

Like Child said, K24's are beasts. I'd love to have a bone stock K24 + ep3/rsx trans.

 

[TokyoSkies]

Like Child said, K24's are beasts. I'd love to have a bone stock K24 + ep3/rsx trans.

If I were still going to go balls out with my EJ, I'd be doing a k20/24 hybrid boosted. I almost bought the head, long block, and tranny, too haha.

The K series are beastly motors. They surpass the B series (IMHO) in reliability, ease of power gain, and endurance. Some TOUGH motors.