Thanks guys And I can feel you not liking the wheels. I actually HATED Starks for a long time. And I really still wasnt fond of them when I bought them. But I wanted to give them a try and get out of the Rota game. They have grown on me quite a bit Although with how small the barrels are for the lugs its very limited on lug nuts. Im currently trying to find something that will work with extended lugs. All I can find in slim lugs are inside keyed for removal and smooth on the outside...And I would LOVE to find a set of SW388's to pick up in a trade