You aren't taking into consideration need and budget vs. want and pipedreams. Out of 1,000 customers, you'd be lucky to get 10 customers that would care or would want to know what the difference would be. And no amount of prodding is going to convince the average consumer that he should spend over $1,000 on a sound system. Since you work at a shop, you should know this better than anyone. My homies at Audio Options stop dealing with retail because guys would walk in and ask them to install a head unit then complain that their price is too high. Yet, AO has built some of the nicest systems around and both Alpine, Clarion and Pioneer contract them to build their show cars' systems. Honestly, customers who are spending money are happier spending money on 100 monitors in the car rather than spending it on sound quality. And I'm hard pressed to consider most sales people at sound shops qualified to tell me what is better than the other, not unless they are MECP master class installers who really know what they are talking about. Independent shops are closing left and right across the country, as the average consumer is happy going to their local Best Buy store to pick up a $250 head unit. The aftermarket audio segment, just like the performance market, is primarily price driven. And while the number of "enthusiasts" that pick up low end crap continues to grow, the true enthusiast at the high end of the market is dwindling. CEA and SEMA data is clear indication of this. If booming bass is what they want, they'll get it one way or another. SQ is not something they care about, care to know about nor care to spend money on. Stick a head unit in, some speakers in factory locations, a couple of amps with cheap cables and RCAs and a couple of 12" in a band-pass and they are happy.
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actually Alpine never contracts anybody to do a demo vehicle. Alpine has been putting together thier own stuff for about ten years now.
And yes it is true. Most people now a days have no Idea what sound quality is anymore. And trust me these customers are not going to Best Buy either.
Wal-Mart is the evil thats f**king over the private sector. Watch the threads in this section.
Kids picking up thier own decks and attempting to put them in themselves cuz $35.00-$50.00 is too high of a price not to have thier dashs cut apart but oh well what are you going to do.
But there still is hope there are still customers that will pay to have good sq systems put together. But the problem is that companys that claim they are an sq company sound like s**t. Companys like MB quart. Personally without at least a 7 band eq thier speakers sound like total ass.
And when the customers pay out the ass for these types of drivers and dont like them they just deal with the stock system cuz they dont know that it can get any better cuz they got f**ked at a shop.
Then theres shops that act like total dicks to the customers because of the cheap asses.
Half the problems in the industry are created at the shop level.
People not knowing what they are talking about.
Shops that rip people off.
Then the grommett shop. The ones that think they rock and in all actuality tney are just another plain old shop that is just dicks to the customers cuz they think their balls are that big.
All in all the industry is dying fast, and I blame shops not the consumers. Yes they want to get stuff cheaper. But the shops dont want to educate the customers any mnore
And yes it is true. Most people now a days have no Idea what sound quality is anymore. And trust me these customers are not going to Best Buy either.
Wal-Mart is the evil thats f**king over the private sector. Watch the threads in this section.
Kids picking up thier own decks and attempting to put them in themselves cuz $35.00-$50.00 is too high of a price not to have thier dashs cut apart but oh well what are you going to do.
But there still is hope there are still customers that will pay to have good sq systems put together. But the problem is that companys that claim they are an sq company sound like s**t. Companys like MB quart. Personally without at least a 7 band eq thier speakers sound like total ass.
And when the customers pay out the ass for these types of drivers and dont like them they just deal with the stock system cuz they dont know that it can get any better cuz they got f**ked at a shop.
Then theres shops that act like total dicks to the customers because of the cheap asses.
Half the problems in the industry are created at the shop level.
People not knowing what they are talking about.
Shops that rip people off.
Then the grommett shop. The ones that think they rock and in all actuality tney are just another plain old shop that is just dicks to the customers cuz they think their balls are that big.
All in all the industry is dying fast, and I blame shops not the consumers. Yes they want to get stuff cheaper. But the shops dont want to educate the customers any mnore
Well, I just want you to know that I support the mobile audio industry and the GOOD shops that consistently put out GOOD work. Actually, the gang over at Audio Options do some of the work for their sponsored vehicles / employee vehicles / etc. that Brownie doesn't do at times. My homie Eric in R&D had them install his Alpine F-1 system into his car. But anyways... You are right about the cheap customers that try to put in their own headunits when they don't even have rudimentary knowledge of how wiring works. I noticed that this isn't just limited to car audio stuff... board members are asking others to troubleshoot their car when there is no way to do that over the Internet. Sharing experiences and knowledge is one thing... as I have done as well regarding some bizarre ECU codes that the car was throwing, but I ask because this is only the second Honda I've ever owned and the other was a brand new one. Yeah, the problem is at the dealer level too... but I think it's because most of the shops out there are trying to make a quick buck rather than focusing on building a long term relationship with everyone who walks in the door. And there are lots of unqualified knuckleheads peddling products that aren't necessary. THAT is ultimately what's going to put the final nail in the coffin. Way back in the day, there were only a few audio shops. I personally went to Competition Soundworks in Southern California to get my systems planned and installed. But all these jackasses started opening up shops, thereby diluting the quality of the work and subsequently turning off all the customers who came in. One bad experience and they turn their back on audio altogether. It's the same s**t with performance shops. Home garage mechanics open shops, promising customers all sorts of magic for the lowest dollar possible. Motivated by the appeal of a quick buck, stuff isn't installed properly, wrong parts are ordered, customer service is virtually non-existent and so on and so on. There's this one kid who dropped in a B16 into his Civic on his own yet keep bugging my buddy who owns a shop to diagnose problems with the engine for free no less, trying to use the "homie hookup" bullshit to get free services. My buddy is a softie so he kept helping him but one day, I yelled at the f**ker and told him to pay for the troubleshooting. Of course, his reaction was typical, saying all sorts of s**t... but he eventually left and never came back. THAT is the kind of customer you don't need. THAT is the kind of customer who will never pay a fair price for fair work / products.
Incidentally, the blame also sits on the part of the manufacturers as well. There are bizarre claims of 1,000 watts out of a $100 amp that weighs a mere pound. Junk pumped out of the same factories overseas, with no engineering behind it whatsoever, badged with different names. So what's a kid to do? Of course the price is going to catch his eyes and eventually his wallet. And he's going to be turned off to building a sound system because he feels he was ripped off by the shop that sold him this "1000 watt" amp. Well, s**t... the adage "you get what you pay for" is most appropriate when it comes to the automotive aftermarket.
I have to tell ya... I was a writer and photographer for numerous automotive magazines over the last 5 years, including Car Audio & Electronics. Through interaction with enthusiasts all across the country, it is evident (sadly so) that the industry is in definite decline. It certainly doesn't help matters that OE sound systems are getting better and better. And other "distractions" are aplenty - just look at the console game systems - where the average kid can spend his money. So what's a kid to do? Spend $300 on a PSP or a high-level set of separates? I think you know the answer as well as I do. There definitely needs to be some fresh thinking on the part of the manufacturer, distributor and retailer to get people back into audio shops. If that doesn't happen, things won't last very long for anyone.
Incidentally, the blame also sits on the part of the manufacturers as well. There are bizarre claims of 1,000 watts out of a $100 amp that weighs a mere pound. Junk pumped out of the same factories overseas, with no engineering behind it whatsoever, badged with different names. So what's a kid to do? Of course the price is going to catch his eyes and eventually his wallet. And he's going to be turned off to building a sound system because he feels he was ripped off by the shop that sold him this "1000 watt" amp. Well, s**t... the adage "you get what you pay for" is most appropriate when it comes to the automotive aftermarket.
I have to tell ya... I was a writer and photographer for numerous automotive magazines over the last 5 years, including Car Audio & Electronics. Through interaction with enthusiasts all across the country, it is evident (sadly so) that the industry is in definite decline. It certainly doesn't help matters that OE sound systems are getting better and better. And other "distractions" are aplenty - just look at the console game systems - where the average kid can spend his money. So what's a kid to do? Spend $300 on a PSP or a high-level set of separates? I think you know the answer as well as I do. There definitely needs to be some fresh thinking on the part of the manufacturer, distributor and retailer to get people back into audio shops. If that doesn't happen, things won't last very long for anyone.
Alright now that i know i can run 3 subs off an eclipse amp. In yalls opinion which one would sound better 2 eclipses with a 6213 amp in a ported box or 3 eclipses with a 7122 in a sealed box. I am also planning on puttin polk momo compenents up front, if that helps anyones decision.
Its going to sound good either way you go. Three subs are going to be louder and more accurate in a sealed given the box is built right.WKHCivic said:Alright now that i know i can run 3 subs off an eclipse amp. In yalls opinion which one would sound better 2 eclipses with a 6213 amp in a ported box or 3 eclipses with a 7122 in a sealed box. I am also planning on puttin polk momo compenents up front, if that helps anyones decision.