is a turbo kit really going to cost $5000

[AZSprmnn]

pretty sure you want to be around 11-12 at wot. fuel management wont cost an arm and a leg. itll cost you around 1000.

11-12 is VERY good for power. but if u want a good running engine that will pass emissions itz 14.7:1 is the stoiquiometric(spelling?) setting.

 

[turbowhat_n_dat]

Carbon I no longer know how to take you, if you are an internet mechanic with all the answers and just dumb, or .........................i dont know.........................

For 5k you should easily be able to get what you need to put down serious numbers everywhere.

Build a custom turbo set up $1500.00 complete---
fuel set up/injectors/turbo/gate/bov/piping/manifold/intercooler/fuel pump
Full btm end $1000.00 JE pistons/Crower rods/ARP bolts/pins/locks/rings
Full head job $1500.00 custom done with all valves/titanium retainers/dual springs/turbo cams

Cam Gears, dual stage boost controller or electronic version, LSD, clutch, flywheel.....a lot of $

Dont forget a radiator---del sol dual core, water pump, oil pump, t-belt, fuel filter, ARP head studs

+ tuning time and $ for this, approximately 6-10 hours considering its a custom built turbo kit

my .02

*****Thats my post from another thread stating that you could build a custom kit for $1500.00^^^^^

1) What custom setup are you going to run for 1,500? A GReddy? Bahaha. The turbo alone is going to be spendy new.

2) Bottom end: Sleeve, tank, honed? Blueprint?

Its always way more than you think. Plus who's going to install it? If you have shop access, take pics lol All in all though, you can make some serious power out of Honda engines. Im still waiting for their SOHC i-6 lol :-p

*****You countered with this statement: what custom set up are you going to run for $1500.00? a greddy? laughing^^^^^

T3 60 trim .48/.60 turbo
Uberdata
DSM 450cc injectors
Custom Manifold
Johhnyracecar 5 inch tall IC
2.5 inch charge piping
2.5 inch custom downpipe

Actually that entire custom set up right there----i thought a custom set up was one you built, I mean in my eyes it sure isnt a PRE-FAB. Custom usually means you made the s**t, or its custom built, correct??? "Now.... I want to have a nice set up under the hood, kinda like create my own turbo kit, not just buy one that's already put together." original quote from original poster, kinda like create my own turbo kit-----or custom build one, not just buy one thats already put together-----or a pre-fab. Who says the turbo has to be new, rebuilt is perfect for a custom application. As far as the btm end you dont need to sleeve the b***h to hold for minimal power and every once in a while running at the track on high boost or originally stated by the original poster "Im not gonna drag race, maybe once in a while I'll take it to a track." Sleeve it if your looking into going monster race power, 300 to 600whp anything below that and a B series will remain reliable w/o sleeving, however I do agree that sleeving would be your best route to go, if your planning to run a 300-600whp street daily driven vehicle. As far as blueprinting, I agree get the b***h printed for reliability sake, but while your doing that you might as well get a new crank, bore the b***h, and then blue print the entire blown engine.....another thing you dont really need on a budget. Get a Haynes, honda engines are freakin easy to work with. Just because your not mechanically inclined doesnt mean the next guy isnt and viseversa. As for your radiator, I forgot this was an SI, which already has that same radiator, but running it direct can hurt you in the long run, a lot of hassle trying to figure out why your car is always running in the cold run position cause your fan is run direct and keeping your system cool at like 160 degrees.

Hope that answers your questions Createadilema.

*****Then I countered with this statement^^^^^
*****No con-counter from you, thread is dead......*****
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*****Now in this thread your telling ppl this:vvvvv

go put on some altezza's or something.

You can get a full "kit" that will produce 200whp for 1,200. Just gotta piece it together and shop around.

For 5g's, you will be pushing above 300 whp and you'd be a dumbass to go with a "kit". You need to read more (like I suggest to everyone who wants turbo).
turbod16.com
homemadeturbo.com
good starting points.

*****You can get a full kit for $1200.00 and you've seen them made for $600.00******

you can. You can build one for $600. Hell Ive heard of people making some for $300. Granted these are used/junkyarded pieces.

However, it just depends on what your goals are. If you dont care about bling factor, than used the way to go.

*****What I'm trying to get out of you is why the argument with me on the $1500.00 custom kit when you've seen them put together for $600.00 or $300.00??? Did you take your own advise and do some research or what happened???***** Doesn't make much sense to me. I mean if you were right and I knew it, I definately wouldn't have jumped down your throat for being right.

 

[skinnyjdm]

Wow a hate thread. Why does everyone get so mad at each other. Everybody has their own opinion. Do what you want and don't worry about what other people think.

 

[turbowhat_n_dat]

No hate just wondering the point.

 

[skinnyjdm]

No hate just wondering the point.

Actually thuis thread isn't too bad. Just makin an observation that there are a lot of people who disagree with someone and their answer is to insult the other person.

 

[turbowhat_n_dat]

ic, sorry for the hate thread I guess, carbon I'm just looking for a simple answer, nothing meant to be hating, sorry man.

 

[WiggerMan]

Ok, to all that didn't agree with me! I have the I/H/E...so If you want to waste your money on a turbo...take it to the track...burn out the engine!

When you guys grow up and have rent, loans, bills, etc. you'll understand!

And no I don't have altezza's dumbasses!

And good luck at the track with just a turbo'd D series!

I have shitloads of bills and a wife and want kids soon... doesnt mean i dun wanna get more HP outta my honda... you make it seem like you gotta do nothing fun to be a "Responsible" Adult.... I like to play... if you dont leave time to play then whats the point in living?

 

[skinnyjdm]

I have shitloads of bills and a wife and want kids soon... doesnt mean i dun wanna get more HP outta my honda... you make it seem like you gotta do nothing fun to be a "Responsible" Adult.... I like to play... if you dont leave time to play then whats the point in living?

Amen Brother!!!!!!!!!! I'm with you man. By the way love the wheels on your sig. What are they?

 

[skinnyjdm]

ic, sorry for the hate thread I guess, carbon I'm just looking for a simple answer, nothing meant to be hating, sorry man.

I wasn't singling you out man. I was just ranting i guess. kinda hypocritical on my part. sorry 8)

 

[Martin Racing Design]

What I'm trying to get out of you is why the argument with me on the $1500.00 custom kit when you've seen them put together for $600.00 or $300.00??? Did you take your own advise and do some research or what happened???***** Doesn't make much sense to me. I mean if you were right and I knew it, I definately wouldn't have jumped down your throat for being right.

Ok. Here goes /deep breath.

When you decide to go the turbo route, you need to have a HP goal. When I say that you can piece together a kit for dirt cheap (300$) Im assuming that youre looking for 200ish whp. Meaning, you wont have to build the internals and will be using a V-AFC hack. Junkyard turbo, junkyard IC, piping, junkyard BOV (or none ),hx header, DSM injectors. That is an unreliable build (for most people anyhow.. I sure as hell wouldn't trust it)

A $1,200-1,500 kit is something like a GReddy. You're paying for new parts, a complete kit, and a brand name. Overall convenience factor. You're still going to be getting 197whp, and I don't believe you even get E-Manage. Don't quote me on that though.

Anything above $1,500, in my not-so humble opinion, you should really be building the internals. The reason being, is that anything over 1,500 is going to have a turbo that will more than likely be really tough on your engine. Hence the need for new pistons/rods, in order to lower the compression. However, if you're going to already be ripping apart the engine, why not atleast put a block guard in it and upgrade the cam(s) and camshaft(s).

What my point was, and I admit it probably doesn't make sense if you JUST analyze what I say (rather read it to the context of the previous posts to which I am replying to), is that kits are a joke. Make your own. Set a horsepower goal. Then research other people's mistakes and realize what you're going to have to do inorder to fix the mistakes.

You can't push more than 8psi into a Honda engine without risking detonation. Less for H series. Have people done it? Sure. But their engines didn't last.

To the original poster... yes a GREAT turbo build is going to cost 5 grand. Im talking about something that is going to be able to hold 16-20 psi, runs a GT28R turbo (SEMA featured this new turbo.. t25 compressor with 60 exhaust, if I'm not mistaken) and have horsepower on the upwards of 300-400whp... on a D-series. That involves: Pistons/rods, cam, camshaft, valves & retainers, sleeved, IC, 3" mandrel piping, an equal sized tubular turbo manifold (lovefab or fullrace), Hondata with tuning, BOV, tial 40mm wastegate, larger injectors, all your guages, and new spark plugs. However I stress the fact that you WILL need a great suspension set-up AND a quaife... or other LSD (limited slip differential) although Quaife is the only warranteed one.

/phew.

Clear it up at all? New questions? Comments? Significant gripes? Rebutals?

 

[DirtyD]

When you decide to go the turbo route, you need to have a HP goal. When I say that you can piece together a kit for dirt cheap (300$) Im assuming that youre looking for 200ish whp. Meaning, you wont have to build the internals and will be using a V-AFC hack. Junkyard turbo, junkyard IC, piping, junkyard BOV (or none ), cx header, DSM injectors. That is an unreliable build (for most people anyhow.. I sure as hell wouldn't trust it)

why exactly is this an unreliable build? because of the fact it's used?

 

[Martin Racing Design]

why exactly is this an unreliable build? because of the fact it's used?

Well partly and the fact that missing link/V-AFC isn't exactly the best way to tune a car. With an AEM EMS or Hondata, in my book it would be cool. Except then you've just spent more in management than you did on the whole build!

 

[DirtyD]

Well partly and the fact that missing link/V-AFC isn't exactly the best way to tune a car. With an AEM EMS or Hondata, in my book it would be cool. Except then you've just spent more in management than you did on the whole build!

haha, okay, and how would you use the cx headers as a manifold?

 

[Martin Racing Design]

haha, okay, and how would you use the cx headers as a manifold?

Well remember that Honda's only have one header. And its actually HX I believe. Im tired.. Ill edit my long winded response.

Anyhow, you use that header which comes from older CRX's.. like 89's.

 

[SeanMc300]

you can use the honda std (hatchback), cx, vx, and hf headers...cuz they are two pieces. youll need an adapter plate to bolt it to the turbo. (which is what im using) apex'i (no need for a link) is alright, alot of ppl do it and run fine, BUT i wouldnt do it. im gonna run the sds eic, i stated in another post why i dont think the "hack" isnt that great. anyways, any turbo setup is reliable...but its only as reliable as how much time you spend and if you get the right fuel management.