Noob turbo question

[Fawks]

Here is my shopping list. What am I forgetting? Also, do you guys know how to do any of this cheaper, but just as good?

$300 Exhaust Mainfold http://www.krbfab.com/home_files/page0008.htm

$300 Wastegate http://www.spoolinperformance.com/tial-38mm-wastegate-p-180.html
$600

$100 BOV http://www.spoolinperformance.com/typers-p-62.html
$700

$150 Oil Lines http://www.spoolinperformance.com/t3t04e-feedreturn-p-100.html
$850

$250 Injectors http://www.spoolinperformance.com/delphi-440cc-p-75.html
$1100

$250 Downpipe/dumptube http://www.krbfab.com/home_files/page0009.htm
$1350

$200 Intercooler http://www.westcoast-turbo.com/intercoolers.html
$1550

$200 Piping http://www.westcoast-turbo.com/piping.html
$1750

$300 V-AFC Ebay
$2050

$300 MSD boost retard
$2350

$500 Snail http://www.westcoast-turbo.com/turboa.html
$2750

 

[MasterShake]

use an internal wastegate, used 1gen DSM BOV, smaller turbo (u wont be running that much boost)
just my 2 cents

 

[Shiznit]

youre forgetting vacuum lines. and i would not get an internally gated turbo if you have the choice not to. external wastegates are more efficient and controllable.

 

[io_303]

I would go a diffrent rout then the VAFC and the msd box. I would more go for a chipped ECU, check out www.xenocron.com

 

[Blk05Civic]

ok im kinda a noob at turbo too..but couldnt u use an FMU and tap into the oil pan instead of getting new injectors??

 

[MasterShake]

ok im kinda a noob at turbo too..but couldnt u use an FMU and tap into the oil pan instead of getting new injectors??

say what?

 

[Blk05Civic]

do u have to upgrade injectors if u decide to boost? or can u use stock ones and just use a fuel management system? i dont know

 

[deftone]

yea id get bigger injectors and prolly a larger fuel pump. a rail and a regulator wouldnt hurt either but prolly arnt as necessary as the injectors and pump

 

[Fawks]

I have a new pump already. And what would be a better sized turbo? t3?

 

[deftone]

t3/04e

 

[slowhatch]

well since your not getting an amazing discount(300$ imo, is way to much for a vafc) on that vafc, get hondata for the same price (s200 i think). try ebaying more things, 2750$ is a bit much. if you are patient, you can find amazingly cheap finds.

 

[Shiznit]

yeah youre paying way too much for everything.

used manifold for $200
new tial wastegate for $200
BOV for $50
Oil Lines for $75
injectors for $75
chipped ecu for $150 (including conversion harness)
charge pipes and couplers for $100
boost retard (not needed)
turbo $300-500

 

[Evan.]

Here is my shopping list. What am I forgetting? Also, do you guys know how to do any of this cheaper, but just as good?

$300 Exhaust Mainfold http://www.krbfab.com/home_files/page0008.htm

$300 Wastegate http://www.spoolinperformance.com/tial-38mm-wastegate-p-180.html
$600

$100 BOV http://www.spoolinperformance.com/typers-p-62.html
$700

$150 Oil Lines http://www.spoolinperformance.com/t3t04e-feedreturn-p-100.html
$850

$250 Injectors http://www.spoolinperformance.com/delphi-440cc-p-75.html
$1100

$250 Downpipe/dumptube http://www.krbfab.com/home_files/page0009.htm
$1350

$200 Intercooler http://www.westcoast-turbo.com/intercoolers.html
$1550

$200 Piping http://www.westcoast-turbo.com/piping.html
$1750

$300 V-AFC Ebay
$2050

$300 MSD boost retard
$2350

$500 Snail http://www.westcoast-turbo.com/turboa.html
$2750

1) oil lines - www.stealthmodeperformance.com or tunertoys.com, $150 is way too expensive, i got mine for $85 I think.

2) injectors - dont spend $250 on injectors, I got a set of dsm 450cc which will do you just fine for $50 shipped (you can probably find them cheaper than that)

3) downpipe - what i did was get the parts for the downpipe from www.atpturbo.com and got a shop to fab me one for $80, a total of $150.

4) ic piping - why teh f*ck does everyone like west-coast turbo and dem pre fabbed kits. Go to www.jcwhitney.com and custom order the piping, I believe mine was

(1) 180 U Bend
(2) 90 Bends
(1) 45 Bend

**Itll be different for you, thats just to get u an idea**

Assuming you already have a CAI which you can use that piping as well... jcwhitney cost me $72, then get couplers from www.roadraceengineering.com and clamps from kragen or autozone, much much cheaper, maybe $100 total.

5) Engine management. Forget the V-AFC and the msd boost retard. Your obd0 right? You dont even need a conversion harness, just get one of the ecu programs such as chrome, turboedit, uberdata (what i use) and then a wideband 02 and chip burner.

Chipping your ecu --> ~ $20
Datalogging cable --> ~$23
Wideband (depends) --> $200
Chip Burner --> $80

So for about $300, you will have a much better setup, that allows you to control timing, fuel, EVERYTHING and most importantly, youll get knowledge from it.

6) As far as the snail, wastegate and manifold. Heres my setup:

GT28R Turbo (just ask around - theyre expensive normally) --> $500
- internally gated, so you dont even have to worry about the wastegate setup
Greddy Manifold --> $150

$650 < $1100 - point is, your list is waaay expensive, you can find cheap deals on some good s**t, just gotta look around on honda-tech and whatnot. good luck mang.

 

[Fawks]

Where are you guys getting these ECUs chipped. And how amazingly hard are they to tune?

 

[io_303]

I chipped my own, but i have been working with electronics for years. I send most people to xenocron.com do get theirs done, he does good work and has never let me down. He also has start up packages that get you discounts on parts for startup.

 

[Evan.]

everyone is right, www.xenocron.com will get you everything you need for the chipped ecu, however, if you are not knowledge / this is your first setup...then I add another setup into my list...lots and lots of reading! heheh..

and.. just cause were here anyways..
1) This will help get your list more in order and completed
http://www.beesandgoats.com/boostfaq/g2icturbo.html
2) One of the best engine management system for Homemade kits
http://uberdata.pgmfi.org/
3) Answers lots of FI questions youll probably have
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1024174

 

[io_303]

everyone is right, www.xenocron.com will get you everything you need for the chipped ecu, however, if you are not knowledge / this is your first setup...then I add another setup into my list...lots and lots of reading! heheh..

and.. just cause were here anyways..
1) This will help get your list more in order and completed
http://www.beesandgoats.com/boostfaq/g2icturbo.html
2) One of the best engine management system for Homemade kits
http://uberdata.pgmfi.org/
3) Answers lots of FI questions youll probably have
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1024174

I would not use uberdata in your setup beacuse you are OBD0, and uber targets OBD1. I would use turboedit
http://www.turboedit.org/
http://www.pgmfi.org/twiki/bin/view/Library/TurboEdit

 

[Evan.]

yeah..either way, i was only recommending that because ive had experience with it and really like it, but im sure turboedit is just as good, ive never used it myself though.

 

[Fawks]

So you are saying that I can send this xenocron.com my ecu and they will chip it and put a good setup on it? Or will I be responsible for tuning the thing.

 

[io_303]

So you are saying that I can send this xenocron.com my ecu and they will chip it and put a good setup on it? Or will I be responsible for tuning the thing.

you tell him your setup and he will make you a good basemap which you can drive your car on, but it will be rich(rich is better than lean) it also gives you a point to start from.