NSX Concept.. V6, HYBRID and SH-AWD? What do y'all think?

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I don't like it but I can appreciate the technology behind it (like Joe mentioned).

But to me, when I drive any car that's been modified to be better or made to a better car from the factory (ie - sports car), I want raw car. All these cars that keep coming out are being more and more refined and (in my definition) becoming less of a "car". I'll always have more love for older cars than newer cars.
 

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Electric motors can be more power to weight efficient than gas motors. A quick google search showed that a electric engine of a toyota prius gives .84 hp / lb and 3.68 tq / lb of engine weight while an RX-8 engine gives .92 hp / lb and .57 tq / lb of engine weight.

I think we can all agree that the prius was not designed to be a sports car. However, it is only slightly under the hp to weight ratio of the RX-8 and blows it away in the torque department (over 7 times the power to weight ratio).

If an electric motor was actually designed to be put in a sports car, it is likely that the power to weigh ratio will be much improved. Long story short, The NSX could end up being a torque beast with plenty of hp in relation to its weight.
Toyota Prius vs RX-8 is a terrible comparison. We all know the rotary motors don't produce ANY tq to begin with. It's laughable. That's why all those RX7/8 guys are swapping LS motors in them lol. Don't forget the Prius batteries need to be replaced every so often and it costs upwards of $3000 said and done. You pay more for a hybrid Prius to save gas, then spend $3000 to replace it's battery when it dies. So you end up spending a hell of a lot more money and you really don't save a whole lot of gas when there are full gasoline motor cars out there getting 50mpg...

If you really want to compare battery vs gas, the Tesla vs the Exige would probably be your best comparison. Tesla weighs 2723lbs and the Exige weighs 2015lbs. The Tesla does 0-60 in 3.7sec and the Exige does 0-60 in 3.9. Sure, the Tesla is SLIGHTLY faster in a straight due to it's torque. BUT, the handling of the Tesla absolutely SUCKS in comparison to the Exige. The Exige will run circles around it on a track. And I mean that literally because the Tesla will have to recharge haha. The difference 700lbs makes is very, very significant when it comes to handling. I think it's work the same with the NSX, lose the hybrid motors/batteries all together and get that thing as light as possible.

I think this NSX would benefit a whole lot better with a turbo/twin turbo v6 both for producing power AND for being efficient. BMW has the right idea and we will likely not see any more v8's in BMW's anymore. ALL of the higher end models/sports car BMW's will be equipped with turbo v6's soon enough. The change to that is already happening slowly.. All aluminum twin turbo v6 making 500hp in a light, well balanced car sounds good to me..

Not to mention, what track rat in their right mind would want a car with electric motors? They don't give a crap about being efficient. They better do one hell of a job marketing this thing haha.

Oh and simply because this would be a hybrid, the price for this "super car" would be so high it wouldn't make sense to buy it with other super cars in the same price range or less that could perform just as well or better.
 


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The pair you mentioned fairs even worse than the pair I mentioned.... You mentioned total car weight, but that has little to do with the type of engine. I'll compare engine weights and their power outputs:

Tesla roadster
Engine weight 70 lbs
248 hp = 3.54 hp / lb
200 tq = 2.86 tq / lb

Exige
Engine weight 246 lbs
189 hp = .77 hp / lb
133 tq = .54 hp / lb

So

Hp / lb ratio (Tesla has a greater than 4x engine weight to hp ratio)
Tesla - 3.54
Exige - .77

Tq / lb ratio (Tesla has a greater than 4x engine weight to tq ratio)
Tesla -2.86
Exige - .54


In short, If you had one electric engine in an NSX that could match the power output of a gasoline powered NSX... and then threw three other electric engines with no power in the back seat for s***s and giggles, your power to weight ratio would still be better in the electric version based on these numbers.
 


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But to me, when I drive any car that's been modified to be better or made to a better car from the factory (ie - sports car), I want raw car. All these cars that keep coming out are being more and more refined and (in my definition) becoming less of a "car". I'll always have more love for older cars than newer cars.
This. All of this. I think the vast majority of people on this site agree. 7th gen BARELY gets any love compared to 4th 5th and 6th. I don't want to be isolated from my car while I'm having fun. I want involvement. f**k this paddle-shifting magneto-helibullshit shocks insulated glass garbage-ass direction design is heading. Refinement=bore the s**t out of me.
 

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I think this NSX would benefit a whole lot better with a turbo/twin turbo v6 both for producing power AND for being efficient. BMW has the right idea and we will likely not see any more v8's in BMW's anymore. ALL of the higher end models/sports car BMW's will be equipped with turbo v6's soon enough. The change to that is already happening slowly.. All aluminum twin turbo v6 making 500hp in a light, well balanced car sounds good to me..
Pretty sure BMW twin-turbos a straight six, not a V.
 

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The pair you mentioned fairs even worse than the pair I mentioned.... You mentioned total car weight, but that has little to do with the type of engine. I'll compare engine weights and their power outputs:

Tesla roadster
Engine weight 70 lbs
248 hp = 3.54 hp / lb
200 tq = 2.86 tq / lb

Exige
Engine weight 246 lbs
189 hp = .77 hp / lb
133 tq = .54 hp / lb

So

Hp / lb ratio (Tesla has a greater than 4x engine weight to hp ratio)
Tesla - 3.54
Exige - .77

Tq / lb ratio (Tesla has a greater than 4x engine weight to tq ratio)
Tesla -2.86
Exige - .54


In short, If you had one electric engine in an NSX that could match the power output of a gasoline powered NSX... and then threw three other electric engines with no power in the back seat for s***s and giggles, your power to weight ratio would still be better in the electric version based on these numbers.
I understand the weight vs power output for the electric motor by itself may be better. But, this is internet/paper racing... Ever watch the Top Gear episode with the Tesla vs Elise on track? In a straight the Tesla won, but on course the Elise took over. And that was just an Elise, not even an Exige.

And also, how many Tesla's or electric sports cars do you see around? Not many. I wonder why... If they were such a performance godsend, I'd expect to see more regardless of it's cost. I've only seen a couple of Teslas on the street. I've seen countless of Exige's both on the street and at the track and 20x that with the Elise.

Why buy an electric "super car" that you'll spend more for, get less out of it's handling, and have more mechanical issues with when you could buy an R8, ZR1, GT-R, GT3, hell maybe even a Gallardo or GT2 RS or Ferrari 599/Italia for the same or less?

Pretty sure BMW twin-turbos a straight six, not a V.
Yeah they are straight 6's now, like in the new Z4. But Steve Dinan was at an open house for this race shop I was at a few months back. IIRC, he did mention BMW will soon be producing twin turbo v6's. If anyone would know, he would. And after a very quick search, this came up...
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=582941
 

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All this bickering about power to weight ratio. Electric will always beat gas in that department. As for the shitty handling of the tesla, I believe that comes from the lack of experience of the engineers building a supercar. Honda was so far ahead of the curve with the original NSX I don't doubt the new one will handle beyond superb.

John, I'm in your boat with the whole old school vs new age tech when it comes to cars too. ABS TCS VTM VSM LOL WTF
 

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ghey jokes are ghey :ghey:
 

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Honda was so far ahead of the curve with the original NSX
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I trust honda to make it better than we expect. Remember when people thought K-series was done wrong and should have been more like B's. Or way back when people were scared to mess with vtec and camshafts for B-series motors in the 90's. I think it'll just be a misunderstood step forward for awhile

.....but i do think the price tag will be too high. Finance department hasn't gotten their act right lol
 

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I trust honda to make it better than we expect. Remember when people thought K-series was done wrong and should have been more like B's. Or way back when people were scared to mess with vtec and camshafts for B-series motors in the 90's. I think it'll just be a misunderstood step forward for awhile

.....but i do think the price tag will be too high. Finance department hasn't gotten their act right lol
Well.... Unfortunately we also don't have Ayrton Senna around anymore to help aid in the design of such a great car like he did with the original NSX:( If Honda/Acura gets drivers like that to get this car fine tuned, then I'll have hope for it regardless of the power plant.

I love this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8By2AEsGAhU
 

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I like the idea.. really hope it works out, and when it comes to batteries GM and Nissan are offering warranties covering 8 years or 100 000 miles on their batteries right now.
 

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New NSX

Did anyone else see it on the commercial during the superbowl what do you all think?

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I didnt see it on super bowel. I had seen it on YouTube earlier I think it looks sexy.
 

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looks bad ass. but they ripped audi completely off with it
 

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I think it looks stupid.

Acura isnt going to save their shitty line up with a supercar. Just like the Lexus LFA was a bad idea this is a bad idea. At the end of the day nobody wants to be driving around in a 100k $ + Acura. They will probably lose money by developing and selling them.

What they should spend their money on is a replacement for the RSX a small cheaper car that makes sense in this shitty economy.
 

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I seen it..looks good..but I agree with ^^ a new RSX would be a more profitable business model...i think it's cool to have a new super car in the honda game but I can't afford it so doesn't do me any good.
 


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