Racing harness on stock seats
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loccusst said:
if my head... hits the bar... while im strapped into my recaros with $500 seatbelts.. me hitting my head on the bar will be the least of my concerns.. my car would have to be so incredibly mangled for that to happen that i would more than likely already be dead... when im strappen in correctly i CANT move and im no where near the bar..
Never quite understood why people would even think of just putting the harness in......They atleast make a bar that you can put in pretty quick when at the track. Not sure how safe it is though. Also, again you have the whole roll over factor. I guess if you are gonna do it....just go all the way.
I am just completely anal about stuff though. I look at everything from all sides and go "what if" With the way people drive around here I would rather have a full roll cage, harness, helmet, and a damn force field when I am on the roads.oc_civic said:
if you where road racing yes then get the damn cage but to say that the harness bar wont do anything is just ignorant...harness bar will be perfectly fine in autocross and daily driven applications...I have yet seen a car flip in autocross ( probally due to that autocross is done at lower speeds)
I had a custom made harness bar made to my liking..as I didnt like how the sparco was constructed
I had a custom made harness bar made to my liking..as I didnt like how the sparco was constructed
the word ignorant means lackign of knowledge.. and in this subject i am quite the opposite.. as ive had MANY conversations with people who do this for a living.. and i tend to trust the info ive been given.. i also have FIRST hand REAL world experience with someone who life was saved by a cage..racerx661 said:
so what about AFTER the event on the drive home.. at relatively HIGH speeds.. do you then at that point use the stock seatbelts? because if you are really driving around using two dif sets of seatbelts.. then yoru argument is logical.. although to me thats silly.. just get something that will actually protect you.. so what do you do when you leave the event and are no longer at low speeds? switch back to the stock belts? that sounds like a big pain in the ass?racerx661 said:
all my buddy 9-5 job is a custom fabricator, mostly for offroad trucks and rock crawlers, he builds complete tubular chassis' and roll cages. hes the one who made my custom, I have road raced at willow springs and completed numeroussolo events/ autocross events ( real life experience). thank god I never rolled over but if i did it would have not moved ( harness bar design and it wasnt a bolt in, it was welded in.
for you second argument a harness bar ( speaking of mine) would actually be safer
for you second argument a harness bar ( speaking of mine) would actually be safer
if you have a harness bar (with no hoop as with a roll cage.. and roll your car.. and your rooof caves in.. there is NO WAY IN HELL you will be safer.. my friend butch had a 10/11 sec car (cutlas) that he would run on the street.. he crashed and rolled.. the roof crushed down.. and stuck to the main hoop of the roll bar.. he would have been hurt REALLY bad without that bar, and a harness on...racerx661 said:
so again.. you say harness bar is safe at low speeds.. those were your OWN words.. so when you leave the track.. and are going normal speeds you put your STOCK belt back on?
stock seat belts were removed....I drive normal most of the time... I am not talking about a roll over..but if the car did roll over unlike most harness that are bolted in mine wouldnt go anywhere and the mounting points would hold...I already stated a harness bar is not ideal for roadracing but if perfectly fine with autoX and daily driven apps
what if your car rolls while daily driving.. then you are teh f**ked.. so again.. IMOracerx661 said:
harness bar + harness + 50+mph ='s unsafe
roll bar/cage + harness + 50+mph ='s safer
heres just one pic ive found of a rolled car.. you can CLEARLY see what would have happened without the main hoop..
I would never have harnesses WITHOUT atleast a roll bar.oh yeha i have NO interest in arguing.. simply discussing.. so you DO agree a cage.. is safer than a harness bar without a cage (main hoop) for anything above 30-40mph.. thus making it safer for daily driving.. thats all i was stating.. is a harness bar fine for a small autox event in a parking lot.. sure why not.. is it safe down the icy twisty highway at 3:30 am headed down the side of a mountain? probably not the best choice.. look where i live.. roll over is pretty unlikely.. but you have to remember there are some areas of the country where they are not that unlikely.. so you just have to take it all in you know..racerx661 said:
the original thread starter was asking about installing racing harness...I was give him safe solution rather then using og mounts to put in the harness... if you roll over in a car that has regular seat belts your f**ked...if you roll over in car that has a racing harness jerry rigged into the og seat belt mounting points your really f**ked...even with the harness bar your f**ked...but what is the chance he will roll over on the street...chances are very very low...the car you posted was a drag car...looked like it flipped on the track...bottom line he puts in racing harness without proper mounting and gets into a accident it could compress his spine or worse it wont hold upoc_civic said:what if your car rolls while daily driving.. then you are teh f**ked.. so again.. IMO
harness bar + harness + 50+mph ='s unsafe
roll bar/cage + harness + 50+mph ='s safer
heres just one pic ive found of a rolled car.. you can CLEARLY see what would have happened without the main hoop..
oc_civic said:
roll cage is safer than a harness bar
harness bar will do the job for autoX and daily driving
main thing I want this guy to be safe and not jerry rigg his racing harness on stock seat belt mounting points like alot of people do...this guy basically wants the look...
harness bar is only safe for low speed situations..racerx661 said:
not true... one of the reasons they are designed the way they are is so if you roll the your body has left to right movement and you are less likely to get pinned.. racing harness HOLDS you straight up and down not allowing left to righ tmovement this is why the main hoop of the cage is needed..racerx661 said:
seat belt mounts are seat belt mounts the reason that the harness bar is there to adjust the angle the belts coem to you.. some belts are mounted actually on the bar and others are mounted to the stock location THROUGH the bar.. as long as the correct angle is maintaned neither is more right.. the problem does not occur till roll overracerx661 said:
interesting you ask that.. NHTSA statistics show that 9,771 people were killed in rollovers in 1998, the latest numbers available. That's nearly one-quarter of the 41,471 killed in all types of accidents. so its actually not as unlikely as you would think..racerx661 said:
it is and it did.. but you can roll a car on the street.. its not as hard as you may thinkracerx661 said:
see i actually agree with a lot of what you said.. small autox event.. then yeah def harness bar is fine.. 70+ mph down the highway.. no way.. stock seat belts OR harness WITH a cage.. and yeah as you pointed out it should probably be padded...
I have both harness's and regular seat belts installed in my car .. Its like itoc_civic said:
