Supercharger Questions

[SierraSonic]

Will an intercooler work with a supercharger, liek with the Jackson Racing D-Series?
If yes, how do I hook it up?
If yes, which one shoudl I get?
If yes, will it give a performance boost?

What is the difference between a 96-98 d16y8 head, and a 99-00 d16y8 head. The reason I'm askign this is that Jackson Racing has a different SC for the years.

Whats the best way to go about the SuperCharged route?

Do you have any idea on how well a JRSC will work on a LX-EX Mini Me?

Thanks in advanced!

 

[itsmycookie]

i would imagin you could hook it up, but i think it would be like extending a CAI. you could get an after cooler. which is air to water cooling which is more effective. dunno if they make those specifically for the jackson SC though.

i don;t think there;s any difference between the 96-98 and 99-00 y8 heads. they just seperate the models like that since the 96-98 models have some differences from the 99-00. i could be wrong.

 

[SierraSonic]

Hrm, I guess Ill get the water cooler then.

 

[deftone]

i used to have a sohc vtec with a jrsc... it was slow. id get beat by other hatches with the same mods w/o the supercharger

 

[io_303]

I dont think a intercooler will work on the JRSC becuse it bolts right where the intake manifold was. Now if you got a procharger style one then yes you can get an intercooler, and yes it would be a performance boost

 

[deaconwagers]

I dont think a intercooler will work on the JRSC becuse it bolts right where the intake manifold was. Now if you got a procharger style one then yes you can get an intercooler, and yes it would be a performance boost

werd. the jr replaces the intake manifold with a roots style supercharger (there is no charge piping). you would need a centrifugal supercharger (like vortech) in order to have an air to air intercooler.

 

[Beelzebubba]

Jackson Racing offers an air to water intercooler with an electric pump. I think it's pretty pricey though. Like $600.00.


Lemme look it up

 

[deaconwagers]

i believe that the air-water is for the miata kits (which don't replace the intake manifold, but mount above the exhaust manifold) which has a charge pipe to the tb.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

:whoa:

First off... don't waste your money on a w=>a IC.. they dont hold water for very long (1-2 track runs.. so like 20 minutes of DD).

Second, of course you can use an IC, but I don't think it will be neccessary and it will be a lot of extra piping/weight. Just be a sleeper! No BOV, no IC.

Thirdly, I have taken a ride in a d16a6 w/ JRSC on 7pound pulley... it mobs out on GSR teg's.

 

[deaconwagers]

:whoa:

First off... don't waste your money on a w=>a IC.. they dont hold water for very long (1-2 track runs.. so like 20 minutes of DD).

Second, of course you can use an IC, but I don't think it will be neccessary and it will be a lot of extra piping/weight. Just be a sleeper! No BOV, no IC.

Thirdly, I have taken a ride in a d16a6 w/ JRSC on 7pound pulley... it mobs out on GSR teg's.

torque owns

 

[Inigo Montoya]

torque owns

exactly. Linear torque at that... instant boost.

Although, I would go turbo before SC

 

[io_303]

that $600 system isny a water to air intercooler, its a water injection system

 

[Beelzebubba]

i believe that the air-water is for the miata kits (which don't replace the intake manifold, but mount above the exhaust manifold) which has a charge pipe to the tb.

I don't know I just remember seeing it on the Civic page on the JR website.
http://www.jacksonracing.com/Browse/PlateMenuProducts.aspx?WebCatalogID=19&PlateTypeID=1

:whoa:

First off... don't waste your money on a w=>a IC.. they dont hold water for very long (1-2 track runs.. so like 20 minutes of DD).

Second, of course you can use an IC, but I don't think it will be neccessary and it will be a lot of extra piping/weight. Just be a sleeper! No BOV, no IC.

Thirdly, I have taken a ride in a d16a6 w/ JRSC on 7pound pulley... it mobs out on GSR teg's.

If your water to air I/C is a constant loss then you'd probably do just as well with a 50/50 water:methanol mix injected for a "chemical intercool"

...and I've driven a D15B7 automatic w/JRSC. It pulled harder than any N/A D16Z6/Y8 or LS swap I ever drove and did it from just under 2000 rpm

 

[richocet1]

Will an intercooler work with a supercharger, liek with the Jackson Racing D-Series?

An intercooler cannot be used with a Jackson Racing SC. You would have nowhere to mount the air filter.

What is the difference between a 96-98 d16y8 head, and a 99-00 d16y8 head. The reason I'm askign this is that Jackson Racing has a different SC for the years.

There is no difference between the Y8 heads.

Whats the best way to go about the SuperCharged route?

I would recommend going with the JRSC. There are advantages to the "roots style" SC over a procharger style.

1) Less weight from the charge piping and procharger.
2) shorter distance of travel, so less likey chance increased air temperature and lose of velocity.
3) Less parts you need to purchase (i.e. intake manifold, intercooler, charge piping)
4) Money saved can be used to mod the engine head more (port matching, bore out throttle body and sc, lightened pulley, internals, crank work, etc.)

Now i would recommend going with a turbo charger for a couple reasons:
1) Even though you get more linear gains with a SC, you are limited in the amount of HP gains you can get.
2) You wont get as much torque gains out a VTEC engine as a non-VTEC engine. You will usually gain 10% less torque with a VTEC engine versus and non-VTEC.

 

[itsmycookie]

An intercooler cannot be used with a Jackson Racing SC. You would have nowhere to mount the air filter.

you could mount it on the opposite side where a normal CAI filter sits. with the intercooler in the middle... but i think thats just stupid.

 

[richocet1]

you could mount it on the opposite side where a normal CAI filter sits. with the intercooler in the middle... but i think thats just stupid.

What? Its virtually impossible. There is no inlet pipe running from where a turbo would usually be connected. so you have a single pipe to feed the SC. how do you reroute it to the IC to then back to the SC when you can only hook charge piping to the single entry way.

Only way i can see this happening is if there were some type of SMIC that could be connected between the intake piping and an air filter so the air is drawn through the IC before it hits the SC.

 

[itsmycookie]

you know how a CAI goes? well if you just put charge piping down there and put a 90 degree bend in it i would think you could line it up with the intercooler. then put a filter on the end of it. but i don;t think it;d do any good. unless you had an intercooler sprayer thing. seems like too much work.

 

[richocet1]

you know how a CAI goes? well if you just put charge piping down there and put a 90 degree bend in it i would think you could line it up with the intercooler. then put a filter on the end of it. but i don;t think it;d do any good. unless you had an intercooler sprayer thing. seems like too much work.

OK, that would utterly fail. A FMIC works with a turbo because the densified air is traveling such a high velocity at a constant rate to push its way through the FMIC to the charge pipe on the other side and into the IM. With a SC, that would be acting like a vacuum and it would lose velocity on its way into the engine and lose the purpose of the SC.

 

[io_303]

that is not an intercooler, and it wont do anything there....an intercoole is there ot cool the heat of the charge created by foing through the turbo or SC. What you are describing is worthless rice

 

[richocet1]

that is not an intercooler, and it wont do anything there....an intercoole is there ot cool the heat of the charge created by foing through the turbo or SC. What you are describing is worthless rice

Thats exactly why some HKS Chargers use a Air to Water SMIC for their Procharger kits, for example the new 350z kit.

edit: I put the wrong company.

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