alright ya got me there. but what needs upgrading? i know in a turbo kit there is the turbo,intercooler,all the necessary piping,air filter, e manage, and all the accessories needed to put it all together.I Cause Cancer said:
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go check those sites that the dude posted.... on one of them you will find the complete list of items you need in a sticky..bmyers4321 said:
You REALLY need to read up more... don't attempt turbocharging yet, unless you plan to drop a shitload of cash on a pre-built kit.
turbo - good, definitely need a turbo in a turbo systembmyers4321 said:
intercooler - good, although technically not a necessity, but i would recommend one
piping - charge, downpipe, return, ic, turbo locating (if not right off the mani)
manifold - you cant use a header for a turbo.. well you "can", but it wont be pretty
air filter - no.. not required. some people run them off the turbo
e manage - yes/no... e manage is a piggy back ecu system.theres Hondata, AEM, Ghettodyne, Uberdata to name a few
accessories to put it together...... yeah..... oil return lines, clamps, brakets, adapter plate, welder or jb or duct haha, going to have to run some vaccuum sources...more line, need to tap the oil pan
upgrade... injectors, fuel pump, colder (1-2 steps) spark plugs, possibly head gasket/pistons/rods/valves/retainers
other s**t: gauges, wideband o2?, dyno time, tuning cost
not to mention suplementary systems:: brakes and suspension....
btw... turbo d15b7 = BAD idea. Rods are so thin.
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Don't some turbos come without internal wastegates also? Wouldnt you need an external wastegate if that's the case? (I'm still learning, myself.)I Cause Cancer said:turbo - good, definitely need a turbo in a turbo system
intercooler - good, although technically not a necessity, but i would recommend one
piping - charge, downpipe, return, ic, turbo locating (if not right off the mani)
manifold - you cant use a header for a turbo.. well you "can", but it wont be pretty
air filter - no.. not required. some people run them off the turbo
e manage - yes/no... e manage is a piggy back ecu system.theres Hondata, AEM, Ghettodyne, Uberdata to name a few
accessories to put it together...... yeah..... oil return lines, clamps, brakets, adapter plate, welder or jb or duct haha, going to have to run some vaccuum sources...more line, need to tap the oil pan
upgrade... injectors, fuel pump, colder (1-2 steps) spark plugs, possibly head gasket/pistons/rods/valves/retainers
other s**t: gauges, wideband o2?, dyno time, tuning cost
not to mention suplementary systems:: brakes and suspension....
btw... turbo d15b7 = BAD idea. Rods are so thin.
yup good point, you are 100% correct.joe7987 said:
wdwalker... the rods can handle as much stress as the z6 rods can...
z6 = ~105 whp.. boosts up to 230whp on stock internals. (Conservative estimate, reliability is #1 factor)Thats a 125 WHP jump... which is accomplished at 10-14 psi on a small t3.
So now for the b7 which is ~85 whp, and the same turbo, the guys over at turbod16 are saying that 6psi is the max you should be pushing... assuming you get the same 12.5 hp increase per psi, youre going to be running around 160whp. Not bad at all. However, not great considering that for 450 bucks (price of d16 and ecu) you could be making another 70whp.
im not saying you cant turbo a d15b7, because you can turbo any internal combustion engine. im just saying that its a poor platform that can be easily and cheapily replaced for a greater yield in power and reliability.
speed costs money
fun costs money.
but yeah i know, my engine does have its constraints, and i actually plan to do a d15b soon, i wanna stay d series and represent, too many b civics out there already. im just gonna go with 7psi, run a little rich, a little conservatively, and then do my suspension (tein coilovers + tokico blues) before i drop in the new engine. i might even shake stuff up a little and drop in a dohc zc off a teggy. dohc is talking new worlds of flow when it comes to hp/psi. i guess separate intake/exhaust lifters are worth something, after all.
i think my goal for this project is going to be to beat the tsx my dad is getting. 6-speed, he's gonna put an intake, borla exhaust, and he'll probably do jun or skunk2 cams (he wont shell out the dough for todas lol). doubt he'll wanna do any more tuning than this though. he was shooting for round 250hp. (200 stock)
but yeah i know, my engine does have its constraints, and i actually plan to do a d15b soon, i wanna stay d series and represent, too many b civics out there already. im just gonna go with 7psi, run a little rich, a little conservatively, and then do my suspension (tein coilovers + tokico blues) before i drop in the new engine. i might even shake stuff up a little and drop in a dohc zc off a teggy. dohc is talking new worlds of flow when it comes to hp/psi. i guess separate intake/exhaust lifters are worth something, after all.
i think my goal for this project is going to be to beat the tsx my dad is getting. 6-speed, he's gonna put an intake, borla exhaust, and he'll probably do jun or skunk2 cams (he wont shell out the dough for todas lol). doubt he'll wanna do any more tuning than this though. he was shooting for round 250hp. (200 stock)
