you're gonna have a hard time finding one of the better (imo) older alpines. the 7800 / 7900 series alpines were nice. the new 9800 series suck. i have a 9831 in my lude and a 9853 in my civ. i am not pleased with either. i only bought them because i was so happy with my older 7800's. controls suck. the glide touch is pretty useless. i would def go with the pioneer - much more adjustability. i am/was a die hard alpine. both of my car rock alpine components. my civ has type s subs - which are great subs for a hatch and for the money. i would think twice about gettin the rest of your system for $400. you get what you pay for. if you're looking for inexpensive but decent product, look at directed's extreme line. wutever subs you get, make sure you have a good box... it will make all the difference.