Will a Turbo fit in place of a supercharger

[POS Civic]

Okay so I have a 6th gen civic 2000 d16y7 and I was wondering if I built the engine and bought this turbo I found on CL could I put it the place of a supercharger. Since they basically do the same thing and the turbine would still compress the intake air and expel compressed air. I would also get this vortech intercooler that is for a supercharger. I know most of you will say just make it a turbo because superchargers suck but I don't like the idea of turbo lag so later down the road I would add a turbo if I saw a cheap one on CL. The only real reason I'm getting it off CL is bc I'm on a budget if you couldn't tell bc of my d16y7, and username... POS Civic. Not saying civics are POS just mine lol.

I'm trying to make a sleeper so if you have any other suggestions of thing I should do please tell me. Please only educated people respond I see so many people who think they know everything I want people who actually know. Thanks for the help.

 

[lethal6]

Do a search for builds of both types. You will find out very quickly that they are 2 different worlds when it comes to how they are placed and ran, especially if the supercharger is belt driven. The answer is a no for the most part.

 

[POS Civic]

Do a search for builds of both types. You will find out very quickly that they are 2 different worlds when it comes to how they are placed and ran, especially if the supercharger is belt driven. The answer is a no for the most part.

I have looked up diagrams and done research I understand that centrifugal turbo and superchargers (the snail looking ones) have a very similar turbine structure and compress similar. I understand how they work I'm not a f*cking retard I just want to know if I can put a turbo in the place of a supercharger please read the question. I understand that a turbo inhales the exhaust and expels compressed air and a supercharger inhales the intake and expels compressed air so why wouldn't a turbo be able to be put in the place of a supercharger? Here are the pictures of the turbo and intercooler.

 

[XpL0d3r]

No

 

[POS Civic]

I mean I already bought it and I have a lot of friends who getto rig turbos so if it doesn't work as a supercharger I'll just buy a turbo mani and a turboback exhaust. I see that everyone says no but can you elaborate and explain why so maybe I can understand why it wouldn't work and maybe figure out a way to make it work.

 

[XpL0d3r]

I mean I already bought it and I have a lot of friends who getto rig turbos so if it doesn't work as a supercharger I'll just buy a turbo mani and a turboback exhaust. I see that everyone says no but can you elaborate and explain why so maybe I can understand why it wouldn't work and maybe figure out a way to make it work.

Superchargers (even the "snail" type centrifugal ones) are driven mechanically. A turbo is exhaust driven.

 

[POS Civic]

Superchargers (even the "snail" type centrifugal ones) are driven mechanically. A turbo is exhaust driven.

So this is what you're talking about by mechanically driven... by a pulley right?
So there is no way I could somehow get the turbo's turbine to a pulley like in the image below?

 

[XpL0d3r]

Yes, a pulley or anything physical.

I'm sure it's POSSIBLE, but at this point you'd be custom fabbing up s**t and would probably cost you more than just buying a turbo.

 

[POS Civic]

Yes, a pulley or anything physical.

I'm sure it's POSSIBLE, but at this point you'd be custom fabbing up s*** and would probably cost you more than just buying a turbo.

I have driven a turbo civic and supercharged integra and I really enjoyed the supercharger more. I'm not taking it to a strip I'm just looking for a daily driver that will get up and go when I want it to. That's why I want a supercharger for the reduced lag. I might just buy a supercharger and put them both on so I will have high and mid rpm power. Maybe the integra's system was built better that's why I liked it so much.

Thank you for the info. I'm going to call up my buddies tomorrow and see what we can do with it.

 

[XpL0d3r]

I had a turbo DD for over 3 years. Just don't get a giant turbo and you won't have much lag.

 

[lethal6]

Lol. With the right set up you don't have to worry about lag and the right turbo set up will out produce most superchargers any day of the week. There is a reason you see more turbo builds than superchargers. My turbo bug had no noticeable lag once I was able to get traction. It's all about doing it right. Get the ghetto rigging mentality out of your head fast if you want reliability. Why waste time and money? Why not do it right?

Putting both will give you a ton of fuel management issues as well as ignition/electrical issues. I have seen a couple people try both and only one build thread came out successfully and he had a LOT of headaches along the way.

What do we know though. It isn't like any of us have had turbo'd vehicles. Not just DRIVEN them, actually built them or helped someone with their build. lol.

 

[POS Civic]

I had a turbo DD for over 3 years. Just don't get a giant turbo and you won't have much lag.

LOL too late it's a turbo for a mustang lol I was going to put like >5 ib of boost on it to it wouldn't blow up my engine.

 

[XpL0d3r]

What size is the turbo?

Also, listen to Cary (lethal6), don't ghetto-rig stuff -- that will be a MAJOR headache in the long run. If you're going to spend money on forced induction, do it right the first time and you'll be much happier with the outcome.

 

[POS Civic]

Lol. With the right set up you don't have to worry about lag and the right turbo set up will out produce most superchargers any day of the week. There is a reason you see more turbo builds than superchargers. My turbo bug had no noticeable lag once I was able to get traction. It's all about doing it right. Get the ghetto rigging mentality out of your head fast if you want reliability. Why waste time and money? Why not do it right?

Putting both will give you a ton of fuel management issues as well as ignition/electrical issues. I have seen a couple people try both and only one build thread came out successfully and he had a LOT of headaches along the way.

What do we know though. It isn't like any of us have had turbo'd vehicles. Not just DRIVEN them, actually built them or helped someone with their build. lol.

I have a AEM fuel management system otw. I've watched turbo systems be built and help a little I'm just not a master mechanic like some of my friends. I've never watched or helped in a supercharger build so I don't have the knowledge of them like I do turbos.

If I was going to do it right Jackson racing or vortech supercharger with AEM ems. I don't have the funds for all that so I got a really good fuel management system to compensate (hopefully) for the getto rig of the mechanical parts. Yes, I understand turbos are better but I live in a small town, there's not really many forced induction cars except for like 5 at the meets. I'm not really afraid of an N/A mustang or camaro when I have a supercharger.

I know it may seem like I'm trying to argue with you, I'm not, I just already bought this sh*t and I want it to work... one way or another. It seems I'm probably going to have to buy the turbo parts. Hopefully the fuel management system I ordered works.

 

[xxBLOOD88SHOTxx]

Well I have zero clue what you are asking for as far as questions go. Do you know anyone that can tune with AEM? Do you know what kind of turbo that is? You realize you bought a water to air aftercooler from a vortech procharger kit for a modular ford mustang right?

 

[POS Civic]

Well I have zero clue what you are asking for as far as questions go. Do you know anyone that can tune with AEM? Do you know what kind of turbo that is? You realize you bought a water to air aftercooler from a vortech procharger kit for a modular ford mustang right?

The turbo and the intercooler are for a mustang but as I said previously me and my friends are master getto-rigers so I am making this a getto-rig project. The question is can I put this turbo in a supercharge system? The AEM fuel managment system comes with software so I'll try and do it myself with the help of the internet of what settings I should use. I also forgot to mention my d16y7 is only a y7 block it's fully swapped to y8 even though that doesn't make a difference except that the AEM Fuel Control wouldn't work with my old setup.

 

[xxBLOOD88SHOTxx]

I have no clue what you mean by IN a supercharger system. A supercharger bolts to chassis specific intake manifold, a turbocharger is run off exhaust gasses, a procharger is a mix of the compressor side of a turbo and the belt driven characteristic of a supercharger.

What you have there is a turbocharger of some kind, and an aftercooler from a mustang procharger kit that cools by running water through it. They aren't even from the same kit. How are you going to "master ghetto rig" that aftercooler onto a civic chassis, then build a water reservoir and pump water through it? The short answer is no, you can't "use it like a supercharger" or "rig" it into a procharger. It cant be done because that's not what it is, and it won't ever be anything else.

Your best bet FLAT OUT is to dump that junkstang stuff, and report back when you have rid yourself of such items. Then we can work on getting you to PIMP status.

 

[POS Civic]

I have no clue what you mean by IN a supercharger system. A supercharger bolts to chassis specific intake manifold, a turbocharger is run off exhaust gasses, a procharger is a mix of the compressor side of a turbo and the belt driven characteristic of a supercharger.

What you have there is a turbocharger of some kind, and an aftercooler from a mustang procharger kit that cools by running water through it. They aren't even from the same kit. How are you going to "master ghetto rig" that aftercooler onto a civic chassis, then build a water reservoir and pump water through it? The short answer is no, you can't "use it like a supercharger" or "rig" it into a procharger. It cant be done because that's not what it is, and it won't ever be anything else.

Your best bet FLAT OUT is to dump that junkstang stuff, and report back when you have rid yourself of such items. Then we can work on getting you to PIMP status.

LOL will do.

 

[mc360]

this is basically what your talking about doing, probably need to make a custom shaft and have it balanced then design a pulley that wont overspin it but give you the power you want

like others said a well sized turbo will have no lag and outperform a supercharger for a civic, the jackson supercharger is good for around 180hp non intercooled, add the intercooler for $1000 and its good for another 40hp or so. with a supercharger comes crappy fuel mileage because your always in boost, with a turbo you can tune less fuel in the cruising area and get good fuel economy, there was a guy on d-series.org who made over 200whp and got 69mpg

 

[POS Civic]

this is basically what your talking about doing, probably need to make a custom shaft and have it balanced then design a pulley that wont overspin it but give you the power you want

like others said a well sized turbo will have no lag and outperform a supercharger for a civic, the jackson supercharger is good for around 180hp non intercooled, add the intercooler for $1000 and its good for another 40hp or so. with a supercharger comes crappy fuel mileage because your always in boost, with a turbo you can tune less fuel in the cruising area and get good fuel economy, there was a guy on d-series.org who made over 200whp and got 69mpg

This was precisely what I was looking for. Thank you.