Matt Damon makes a good point..

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The idea is not to compete with a bullet. The idea is to keep yourself out of situations that would make people want to rob me. This is why I dont rock mad bling, why I don't let a crack head suck my d**k for coke, why I don't roll 20's na mean etc etc etc.
i was living in a nice 3 bedroom house in a small suburb and some piece of s**t tried to kick in my back door.. he broke into 3 other houses that day and one house the person was home... it was the middle of the f**king day....
 

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The solution is not being armed to the teeth and killing people though. Just to make a statement according to my logic being robbed never really ever happens to me not you. I can't speak for you because I don't know what goes on in your life.

I've also had friends that survived accidents because they were not wearing their seat belts. Things are not always black and white. There is no right and wrong in every situation. Life provides a bunch of gray areas in most issues. I think guns are not needed but have no issues with people that have them like stated before. It's just sad to me that people think that being able to kill someone is a solution to anything. For just as many people that use guns to protect themselves you have others that use guns to destroy life. People like:

Mark David Chapman
Eric Harris
Dylan Klebold
Seung-Hui Cho

Pekka-Eric Auvinen Jokelan koulukeskus, Finland 8 Dead
Michael Carneal Heath High School Shooting 3 Dead
Seung-Hui Cho Virginia Tech massacre 32 Dead
Laurie Dann Hubbard Woods Elementary School shooting 1 Dead
Valery Fabrikant Concordia University massacre 4 Dead
Kimveer Gill Dawson shooting 1 Dead
Andrew Golden and Mitchell Johnson Jonesboro massacre 5 Dead
Thomas Hamilton Dunblane massacre 17 Dead
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold Columbine massacre 13 Dead
Steven Kazmierczak Northern Illinois University shooting 5 Dead
Kip Kinkel Thurston High School shooting 4 Dead
Marc Lépine (Gamil Rodrigue Gharbi) Ecole Polytechnique massacre 14 Dead
Barry Loukaitis Frontier Junior High shooting 3 Dead
Robert Poulin St. Pius X High School shooting 2 Dead
Evan Ramsey Bethel High School shooting 2 Dead
Charles Carl Roberts IV Amish school shooting 5 Dead
Jamie Rouse Richland High School shooting 2 Dead
Michael Slobodian Brampton Centennial Secondary School shooting 2 Dead
Todd Cameron Smith W. R. Myers High School shooting 1 Dead
Brenda Ann Spencer Cleveland Elementary School shooting 2 Dead
Robert Steinhäuser Erfurt massacre 16 Dead
Jeff Weise Red Lake massacre 9 Dead
Charles Whitman University of Texas at Austin Tower Massacre 15 Dead
Charles Andrew Williams Shooting at Santana High School 2 Dead
Luke Woodham Shooting at Pearl High School 3 Dead
Andrew Wurst Shooting at Parker Middle School 1 Dead
guns will always be available to people who want to do illegal things with them :what: if you BAN guns.. then people who care about the law will stop having them.. criminals will simply source them on the black market.. just like alcohol was at a time.. just like drugs are now.. people hurt one another.. and sometimes they do it with weapons.. such is life it happens.. looking at the weapon that was chose and focusing on it so intensely is stupid imo.. how many knife murders were there last year? how many murders with a bat? i dont see you talking about the devistating impact knives have on our society...
 


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I've also had friends that survived accidents because they were not wearing their seat belts. Things are not always black and white. There is no right and wrong in every situation.
That's a ridiculous argument. 9 times out of 10 seat belts will save lives. Same with guns. 9 times out of 10 someone breaking into my house will run (quickly) when they hear the 12 ga pump. I'll take those odds.
 

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guns will always be available to people who want to do illegal things with them :what: if you BAN guns.. then people who care about the law will stop having them.. criminals will simply source them on the black market.. just like alcohol was at a time.. just like drugs are now.. people hurt one another.. and sometimes they do it with weapons.. such is life it happens.. looking at the weapon that was chose and focusing on it so intensely is stupid imo.. how many knife murders were there last year? how many murders with a bat? i dont see you talking about the devistating impact knives have on our society...
I'm not a fan of knifes either. I actually dislike them more then guns. I seen plenty of guy get stabbed. Its not a good thing but once again that doesnt make me want to go get a rambo knife to protect myself. If guns are not readily available to your everyday consumer that would make them too expensive for your random crack head to buy. It would make a 100 dollar gun into a 1000 dollar gun. (aproximation) Its simple buisness the less of a product there is the higher the price will be. That will make it close to impossible for a crack head to get.
 


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That's a ridiculous argument. 9 times out of 10 seat belts will save lives. Same with guns. 9 times out of 10 someone breaking into my house will run (quickly) when they hear the 12 ga pump. I'll take those odds.
See again you are trying to sway things to your point by making things up. What if I told I have been in three accidents in my life and I didn't wear my seat belt in any of them. The seat belt never saved my life. What if I told you the story about my cousin and his buddy where they got in a wreck and my cousin survived the crash because he was ejected out the window and his buddy died because he fell down the side of a mountain? Is that the one time out of ten? That can't be right because I gave more then one example. Now if you are dealing with a crack head zombie as you put it the pump of a 12 guage would do nothing to him. They would continue trying to steal your crap or rob you. Let me pose this situation. How would it feel if some person broke into your house while your were away found your guns and killed your entire family? Nah that coul never happen because you are rambo "master of the bullets" right?
 

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How would it feel if some person broke into your house while your were away found your guns and killed your entire family? Nah that coul never happen because you are rambo "master of the bullets" right?
wouldnt happen here... my guns are adequately secured AND i have pretty heavy security... suffice to say i can actually look at my gun safe even when im not home...

i think this went WAY too far away from the original point.. and that being YOU dont like guns.. fine dont own one.. but why have the government disarm LAW FOLLOWING citizens.. i want to own guns.... i like at situations like Katrina where the government loses control, and am thankfull i own tools to defend myself should the government lose the ability to do so...
 

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i think both sides have valid points, personally. :what:
 

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greg, statistics only works if your sample is random.
 

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See again you are trying to sway things to your point by making things up. What if I told I have been in three accidents in my life and I didn't wear my seat belt in any of them. The seat belt never saved my life. What if I told you the story about my cousin and his buddy where they got in a wreck and my cousin survived the crash because he was ejected out the window and his buddy died because he fell down the side of a mountain? Is that the one time out of ten? That can't be right because I gave more then one example. Now if you are dealing with a crack head zombie as you put it the pump of a 12 guage would do nothing to him. They would continue trying to steal your crap or rob you. Let me pose this situation. How would it feel if some person broke into your house while your were away found your guns and killed your entire family? Nah that coul never happen because you are rambo "master of the bullets" right?
You talk about 4 incidents as justification for not wearing a seatbelt? Do you not understand statistics? It's not too hard to prove that seat belts save lives FAR more times they cause death. In the 3 accidents you had, would wearing a seat belt have killed you? I never said crackhead zombie, but if the sound of the pump action didn't cause him to stop, then surely the buckshot would. How would I feel if someone broke in to my house, found the guns, and killed my entire family? I would feel bad, but what if my wife were trained in the use of the weapons? Different story, huh? Also they would have to find the gun and ammo first.
 

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You talk about 4 incidents as justification for not wearing a seatbelt? Do you not understand statistics? It's not too hard to prove that seat belts save lives FAR more times they cause death. In the 3 accidents you had, would wearing a seat belt have killed you? I never said crackhead zombie, but if the sound of the pump action didn't cause him to stop, then surely the buckshot would. How would I feel if someone broke in to my house, found the guns, and killed my entire family? I would feel bad, but what if my wife were trained in the use of the weapons? Different story, huh? Also they would have to find the gun and ammo first.
if you are implying that your method of securing your firearms from criminals is hiding them.. then you are part of the problem.. a mid level safe is VERY INEXPENSIVE and keeps LEGAL guns out of ILLEGAL hands.. if you dont have a safe.. GET ONE...

i think that what california did in regards to requiring a certain level of safety device is GOOD and i think that should actually be a requirement... i dont think they should STOP us from owning guns.. but i think they should make SURE that we do it in a responsible way...
 
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Let me get away from quoting and replying to posts and say this. I don't like gun, knives or other weapons. I don't like people killing other people. Death to me is a huge negative. Self defense or not I don't like the idea of one person taking another persons life. Also, I don't like limiting of freedom in america. I think it is sad that we live in a society where we think we have to have gun to protect ourselves or think that we need to pat down people at an airport so they don't wreck havok on people. For me the gun issue is a double edged sword. Kind of like the no smoking laws. Am I happy that there would be less smoke in the air and less guns on the street? Yes, but I don't like the idea of government mandating it be that way.

As for what silver was saying about his wife training in weapons. It is not as simple as that. I've seen a bunch of trained people crack under pressure. Training will not save you in every situation. It does help a bunch though.

And for safety belts you stat was way off. As of 2004 the life saving of wearing a seat belt was around 50 $ not 9 out of 10 (90 percent) http://www.jmu.edu/safetyplan/vehicle/generaldriver/safetybelt.shtml

Approximately 35,000 people die in motor vehicle crashes each year. About 50 percent (17,000) of these people could be saved if they wore their safety belt
 

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Let me get away from quoting and replying to posts and say this. I don't like gun, knives or other weapons. I don't like people killing other people. Death to me is a huge negative. Self defense or not I don't like the idea of one person taking another persons life. Also, I don't like limiting of freedom in america. I think it is sad that we live in a society where we think we have to have gun to protect ourselves or think that we need to pat down people at an airport so they don't wreck havok on people. For me the gun issue is a double edged sword. Kind of like the no smoking laws. Am I happy that there would be less smoke in the air and less guns on the street? Yes, but I don't like the idea of government mandating it be that way.

As for what silver was saying about his wife training in weapons. It is not as simple as that. I've seen a bunch of trained people crack under pressure. Training will not save you in every situation. It does help a bunch though.

And for safety belts you stat was way off. As of 2004 the life saving of wearing a seat belt was around 50 $ not 9 out of 10 (90 percent) http://www.jmu.edu/safetyplan/vehicle/generaldriver/safetybelt.shtml

Approximately 35,000 people die in motor vehicle crashes each year. About 50 percent (17,000) of these people could be saved if they wore their safety belt
Wow, I agree with almost everything you said. I hate the idea of killing someone. Believe me I am not a violent person, and I think I could talk my way out of most any conflict.

And about the safety belt thing maybe I should have said that 1 in 10 times a safety belt causes death. But I doubt if it is even that often. And I am weary of all the quoting and replying too.
 

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if you are implying that your method of securing your firearms from criminals is hiding them.. then you are part of the problem.. a mid level safe is VERY INEXPENSIVE and keeps LEGAL guns out of ILLEGAL hands.. if you dont have a safe.. GET ONE...
That was not my implication. I was only saying that just because someone finds a shotgun doesn't mean that its fully loaded and ready to go.
 

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i never called him evil based on that.. i simply said it has NO bearing on his ability to lead..
It's funny how so many people are scared of being burglarised by a "crackhead" when 90% will never experience it. Besides, having a right to bear arms doesn't make you any more proficient on actually using one.

I say people shouldn't base their preference on certain things that they don't like, but what's best. I know some of you don't care for Obama same as McCain. I honestly don't think either one of them is qualified to run this country but one of them will. Oftentimes, education wins seats as does military background, however, being a POW means his ass was captured and had to be rescued. It speaks volumes.

As for the comments made about Palin, his main comment was true but his opinions I could care less about. We know just as much about Palin as Obama. But do we forget, this is usually the case in almost every presidential race. We usually don't know anything about these people.

And for god sakes, stop crying like f**king women. We don't all have to agree but I feel that no matter which candidate wins, they both have their strengths and weaknesses and the country will most likely head whichever way it's going to head anyway.
 

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house special, my point was that i was one of the supposed 10% that have been burglarized. i live 3 miles outside of reading, pa. last time i checked it was somewhere in the top 10 per capita crime capitals of the country.

Greg, i get what you're saying, but there's a difference between you and me.

you say that " I think it is sad that we live in a society where we think we have to have gun to protect ourselves or think that we need to pat down people at an airport so they don't wreck havok on people"

i say that it's sad that we need to go to these measures, but history has made it evident that these are necessary precautions to protect ourselves.


...now, if criminals didn't have guns...or if people didn't hijack airplanes...or if people weren't out of their minds...i'd say you were right.


....but they do, and they did, they are, and you aren't.
 

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It's funny how so many people are scared of being burglarised by a "crackhead" when 90% will never experience it. Besides, having a right to bear arms doesn't make you any more proficient on actually using one.

I say people shouldn't base their preference on certain things that they don't like, but what's best. I know some of you don't care for Obama same as McCain. I honestly don't think either one of them is qualified to run this country but one of them will. Oftentimes, education wins seats as does military background, however, being a POW means his ass was captured and had to be rescued. It speaks volumes.

As for the comments made about Palin, his main comment was true but his opinions I could care less about. We know just as much about Palin as Obama. But do we forget, this is usually the case in almost every presidential race. We usually don't know anything about these people.

And for god sakes, stop crying like f**king women. We don't all have to agree but I feel that no matter which candidate wins, they both have their strengths and weaknesses and the country will most likely head whichever way it's going to head anyway.
i think my bashing of obama makes people think that i think mccain is a good choice.... i agree with you FULLY that both are not great choices.. i just disagree with obama more.. thats all really...
 

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house special, my point was that i was one of the supposed 10% that have been burglarized. i live 3 miles outside of reading, pa. last time i checked it was somewhere in the top 10 per capita crime capitals of the country.

Greg, i get what you're saying, but there's a difference between you and me.

you say that " I think it is sad that we live in a society where we think we have to have gun to protect ourselves or think that we need to pat down people at an airport so they don't wreck havok on people"

i say that it's sad that we need to go to these measures, but history has made it evident that these are necessary precautions to protect ourselves.


...now, if criminals didn't have guns...or if people didn't hijack airplanes...or if people weren't out of their minds...i'd say you were right.


....but they do, and they did, they are, and you aren't.
right.. that really IS the point... i agree its a sad state where instead of just going out and earning a living people decide to rob and hurt one another.. its sad that we dont live in a society where everyone just helps one another.. but iwe just dont.. so i fail to see the harm in arming myself.. i dont "live in fear" or anything crazy like that..
 

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right.. that really IS the point... i agree its a sad state where instead of just going out and earning a living people decide to rob and hurt one another.. its sad that we dont live in a society where everyone just helps one another.. but iwe just dont.. so i fail to see the harm in arming myself.. i dont "live in fear" or anything crazy like that..
Because you are just becoming part of the problem and not the solution. The old cliche goes, "Don't fight fire with fire." Guns are not the answer to burglary issues.
 

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Please tell me what is the answer to burglary issues.
i know i know i know pick me!












.40 S&W hollowpoint!

No money wasted on trial
No money wasted on jailing the piece of s**t
No chance he will repeat the crime
No chance he will go on to commit a more violent crime!


People who do that kind of s**t are obviously scumbags and OBVIOULSY bad for society... a bullet (or several bullets) removes them completely from society in one swift movement.. making society a better place to be!
 


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