Pulled over for nooo reason.. ?

[Mr. Jollypants]

Okay let me rephrase what I said. They are not supposed to, meaning there are laws against, pulling you over without at least reasonable suspicion. This means that just because the OP has a modified car, they do not have the right to pull him over. If, however, someone described his car......which would need to be more descriptive than "low, dark color, loud muffler". In this situation, the officer was wrong for one of two reasons. One, he had no reasonable suspicion to pull OP over. Two, if he was given an accurate description of OP and his car, the officer is required to tell him that.

The officer isn't required to tell you anything.

 

[Jbuck2KCivic]

Those Sunday night meets always end up like that, it would be nice for the douchebags to not show up but you know that it will never happen. They still doing it at BWW?

Did you go to the dyno day at STM Sunday afternoon?

 

[Lopez619]

The Rochester famous STM Ricer did a fly by, and if you don't know who he is.. one picture:

i shoudve bought an evo

 

[lilROOKZ]

happens.....

 

[JohnS.]

I'm confused now lol... So all of you guys saying cops have no right to pull you over without reasonable suspicion... So are road blocks (or whatever its called where they just setup up a stop and go to check your inspection and registration sticker) illegal? I mean if your registration and inspection are still good, and you still have to stop, does that mean they can't stop you?

Shawn, that sucks. I hate getting pulled over but hey, they help keep us safe.

 

[oc_civic]

I'm confused now lol... So all of you guys saying cops have no right to pull you over without reasonable suspicion... So are road blocks (or whatever its called where they just setup up a stop and go to check your inspection and registration sticker) illegal? I mean if your registration and inspection are still good, and you still have to stop, does that mean they can't stop you?

Shawn, that sucks. I hate getting pulled over but hey, they help keep us safe.

the KEY is to not be unlawfully DETAINED.. those roadblocks are TECHNICALLY a very GRAY area... there was a story about a women who was stopped at a road block like that and when she was asked to identify herself she flat out told them she had done nothing to warrant them stopping her.. and she did NOT need to identify herself.. things got out of control and there was a LOT of drama.. but i am pretty sure the courts ruled in her favor..

the KEY is to ask if you can leave.. am i free to go?

 

[lethal6]

And yes, it was illegal for them to pull you over.

...they definitely can't accuse you of having any type of relations with the guys in the lot unless they have just reasoning, like if they actually saw you talking to the guys and then leave the lot.

100% wrong. He HAD probable cause. Op's car fit the description of cars that were at the meet where the trouble was being caused. He was therefore pulled over because of fitting that description. When it was found that he wasn't one that was causing trouble he was let go WITHOUT an infraction.

just something to think about....

cop already been working 9 hours...
already dealt with god only knows what bullshit....
meth head freaking out at a fast food restaurant...
someone stealing a $10 watch at the local Walmart...
and NOW some grocery store is calling bitching about some kids playing race track in their parking lot...
the captain bitches at the cops..
and they respond...
YES they can stop you and question you... it is reasonable as your car matches the description of those that were creating a problem.. he didnt give you a ticket... it does not sound like he detained you an unreasonable amount of time...
he was just letting you know.. and you told him you were eating.. no ticket.. nothing strange really IMO..

Agree 100%

he didnt pull him over for no reason.. he pulled him over because he was in the vicinity AND matched the general description of cars that were causing a problem.. good luck with the complaint.. he DIDNT ticket you.. he DIDNT detain you an unreasonable amount of time.. he DIDNT search your car.. he simply pulled you over, conducted his investigation.. informed you that IF you were participating in activity that was causing a problem.. NOT to do it anymore.. OR if any of your FRIENDS were participating that they should stop as well..

comparing what happened to RANDOMLY pulling over a black guy with NO reason behind it and telling him about drugs is such an off the wall comparison..

he drives a car similar to those that were causing issue...
he was right in the IMMEDIATE area where the problem took place...
in fact earlier his car was actually there..

so you DON'T know that someone didnt describe that car.. you really have no idea.. the person calling the police could have said.. "there are a bunch of cars driving crazy around a parking lot" and the dispatcher could have said "can you describe the cars" and that might have just been the description given..

Again. Agree 100%

Im sorry, but thats incorrect. Just because he has a modified car, and there were other modified cars at the parking lot does not give them the right to pull him over. The only way that could be justified would be if the store owner called up and complained about "insert description of OP's civic here". In that case, the cops could essentially pull him over. But just because he has a modified car does not give them reason. Thats called discrimination.

Wrong again. That is call probable cause. Same thing if there was a guy that robbed a corner store wearing a white hoody, a hat, blue jeans and is 6 foot 2. Lets say you are walking a couple blocks away from said store and you fit that description. A cop stops you for questioning in said robbery. Is that discrimination? Nope. You fit the description, just like OP did of the cars at that meet.

Okay let me rephrase what I said. They are not supposed to, meaning there are laws against, pulling you over without at least reasonable suspicion. This means that just because the OP has a modified car, they do not have the right to pull him over. If, however, someone described his car......which would need to be more descriptive than "low, dark color, loud muffler". In this situation, the officer was wrong for one of two reasons. One, he had no reasonable suspicion to pull OP over. Two, if he was given an accurate description of OP and his car, the officer is required to tell him that.

Again. Wrong. They had descriptions of cars that were meeting at a parking lot that had some causing trouble. OP fit that description. Now if he was driving around no where near the meet and was pulled over for driving a modified car that would be unjust. What happened here was justified cause.

I'm confused now lol... So all of you guys saying cops have no right to pull you over without reasonable suspicion... So are road blocks (or whatever its called where they just setup up a stop and go to check your inspection and registration sticker) illegal? I mean if your registration and inspection are still good, and you still have to stop, does that mean they can't stop you?

Shawn, that sucks. I hate getting pulled over but hey, they help keep us safe.

Check points are legal and 90% of the time they are for scouting drunk drivers, finding unlicensed or uninsured drivers, or hunting down someone that is on the run from a crime and they suspect them of leaving the city. As long as they just check your stuff and let you go, you are fine. Just be happy that they are weeding out those uninsured drivers that are running around.

 

[oc_civic]

Check points are legal and 90% of the time they are for scouting drunk drivers, finding unlicensed or uninsured drivers, or hunting down someone that is on the run from a crime and they suspect them of leaving the city. As long as they just check your stuff and let you go, you are fine. Just be happy that they are weeding out those uninsured drivers that are running around.

the reason it was legal for the OP to be stopped is because of the situation at hand.. he was NOT stopped randomly.. the officer was responding to and investigating a complaint..

random checkpoints are really pretty unlawful in nature.. to obstruct the free flow of travel based on NOTHING but the premise that someone MIGHT have broken the law is complete bullshit at best.. i am not really sure you can even legally stop me and demand my paperwork, if i am in complete compliance with the law.. unfortunately MOST of us here drive motor vehicles which in SOME way break the law.. even if its something stupid.. so an officer COULD pull me over and question me as to why i have no front plate as it is required in NJ.. and in the course of questioning me ask me for my paperwork.. this is much different than a RANDOM checkpoint..

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

i am not really sure you can even legally stop me and demand my paperwork, if i am in complete compliance with the law.

Under the law, you HAVE to provide documents when he asks for it. Even if he has probably cause or not to pull you over.

 

[oc_civic]

Under the law, you HAVE to provide documents when he asks for it. Even if he has probably cause or not to pull you over.

i think it depends on the state.. i was just reading about it.. and while the supreme court has deemed them not a violation of constitutional right i would say it REALLY is walking the line..

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

i think it depends on the state.. i was just reading about it.. and while the supreme court has deemed them not a violation of constitutional right i would say it REALLY is walking the line..

When do I have to show police my ID?

This is a tricky issue. As a general principle, citizens who are minding their own business are not obligated to "show their papers" to police. In fact, there is no law requiring citizens to carry identification of any kind.

Nonetheless, carrying an ID is generally required if you’re driving a vehicle or a passenger on a commercial airline. These requirements have been upheld on the premise that individuals who prefer not to carry ID can choose not to drive or fly.

 

[XpL0d3r]

Those Sunday night meets always end up like that, it would be nice for the douchebags to not show up but you know that it will never happen. They still doing it at BWW?

Did you go to the dyno day at STM Sunday afternoon?

Nah it's at that Jefferson Plaza by the goodwill haha. And I wanted to go, but I thought it was next week... I just checked Roclife, and I'm sadly mistaken. Damnit. Did you go? lol

 

[RUXcited]

Under the law, you HAVE to provide documents when he asks for it. Even if he has probably cause or not to pull you over.

in washington it is a law that you carry id on you. wether to drive, walk or crap in public. and failure to provide it when asked WILL get you a trip to county.

i dont know about your state laws but in washington it is virtually illegal to do ANYTHING to your car. washington has 2 words, "modified" and "illegal" and anything you can change or put on your car can fall under those 2 words. so probable cause in washington is pretty easy to come by.

Enjoy your win!

 

[Lopez619]

i dont know about your state laws but in washington it is virtually illegal to do ANYTHING to your car. washington has 2 words, "modified" and "illegal" and anything you can change or put on your car can fall under those 2 words. so probable cause in washington is pretty easy to come by

u sure about that? I was pulled over many times when i had my civic which was pretty "modified" and never received any infractions for any of the "mods" done to the car.

 

[vjf915]

you are %100 wrong...

with the logic YOU are applying.. if there was a MASS SCHOOL SHOOTING.. where 40 kids were shot to death.. and the ONLY description they had was "dark van" i am %100 sure that EVERY dark van in the vicinity would get pulled over..

COPS CAN PULL YOU OVER TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION..

that could consist of something as simple as asking a couple questions.. writing a ticket.. etc.. the ONLY time it becomes an issue is if YOU ASK to leave and he CONTINUES to detain you with no reason.. detaining without cause... searching without cause.. those things ARE red flags.. but simply pulling someone over because their vehicles matches the general description of vehicles involved in illegal activity is NOT against the law...

judge "well why did you pull this car over"

officer "it matched the general description of the cars involved in illegal activity... it was in the same EXACT area.. and so on"

Im pretty sure that a school shooting involving 40 kids being shot to death would be handled differently than a store owner complaining about kids doing burnouts in the parking lot

I'm confused now lol... So all of you guys saying cops have no right to pull you over without reasonable suspicion... So are road blocks (or whatever its called where they just setup up a stop and go to check your inspection and registration sticker) illegal? I mean if your registration and inspection are still good, and you still have to stop, does that mean they can't stop you?

Shawn, that sucks. I hate getting pulled over but hey, they help keep us safe.

Road blocks, or more commonly known as "checkpoints" are legal IF the police department has a warrant to do so.

the KEY is to not be unlawfully DETAINED.. those roadblocks are TECHNICALLY a very GRAY area... there was a story about a women who was stopped at a road block like that and when she was asked to identify herself she flat out told them she had done nothing to warrant them stopping her.. and she did NOT need to identify herself.. things got out of control and there was a LOT of drama.. but i am pretty sure the courts ruled in her favor..

the KEY is to ask if you can leave.. am i free to go?

There is no gray area. If you are driving through and your window sticker is out of date, youre f**ked. If you look or are acting impaired, they now have reasonable suspicion to pull you to the side and investigate further. As far as the woman, the officers just didnt handle the situation properly.

100% wrong. He HAD probable cause. Op's car fit the description of cars that were at the meet where the trouble was being caused. He was therefore pulled over because of fitting that description. When it was found that he wasn't one that was causing trouble he was let go WITHOUT an infraction.

Fitting the description of a "modified" car is not enough or an accurate enough description to justify pulling the OP over.
Wrong again. That is call probable cause. Same thing if there was a guy that robbed a corner store wearing a white hoody, a hat, blue jeans and is 6 foot 2. Lets say you are walking a couple blocks away from said store and you fit that description. A cop stops you for questioning in said robbery. Is that discrimination? Nope. You fit the description, just like OP did of the cars at that meet.

Again, unless the store owner SPECIFICALLY described the OP's car, they had no right to pull him over.



Again. Wrong. They had descriptions of cars that were meeting at a parking lot that had some causing trouble. OP fit that description. Now if he was driving around no where near the meet and was pulled over for driving a modified car that would be unjust. What happened here was justified cause.

He clearly stated that he was....if I remember correctly...... at least 1/4 of a mile down the road from the meet. That is far enough away that he could have turned onto the street and never even driven past it. If they grabbed him when he was pulling out of the parking lot, then yes they would have reason. But they did not witness him leaving the lot, they did not have a description that SPECIFICALLY fit his car. Therefore, they had no reason to pull him over.

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

Fitting the description is more than justifiable enough to pull the OP over.

 

[vjf915]

But fitting the description of a modified vehicle that is more than 1/4 of a mile away from where the complaint took place is just too vague. Yes, maybe the cop could get away with it. Maybe if he wanted to be a d**k he could have written a ticket. But with how vague the officer was with why he pulled OP over, if this turned into a legal matter, OP could easily have the case thrown out. The officer wouldnt have been able to charge him with anything AND have it stick. The way he went about it was just all wrong.

 

[RUXcited]

u sure about that? I was pulled over many times when i had my civic which was pretty "modified" and never received any infractions for any of the "mods" done to the car.

it all depends on the officer. tickets are, more or less optional, not that they are supposed to be but a cop doesnt HAVE to pull you over, he chooses to. same with tickets. some cops are cool, some are not.

i've spent a couple hours at the regional justice centers law library in kent reading the RCW (Revised Code of Wasington)

i have a couple modified exhaust tickets, a few illegal vehicle equiptment tickets, and i tried to learn the laws on the citations before i went to court to fight them.

not that it ever helped

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

But fitting the description of a modified vehicle that is more than 1/4 of a mile away from where the complaint took place is just too vague. Yes, maybe the cop could get away with it. Maybe if he wanted to be a d**k he could have written a ticket. But with how vague the officer was with why he pulled OP over, if this turned into a legal matter, OP could easily have the case thrown out. The officer wouldnt have been able to charge him with anything AND have it stick. The way he went about it was just all wrong.

If a car fitting a description of a vehicle doing burn outs and such in a parking lot is anywhere NEAR that parking lot, it's more than reasonable. The officer was completely in the right here. If the cop wanted to be a d**k he could've gone over OPs car with a fine tooth comb and found something to charge him with.

 

[bud6770]

We need a cc member who is either A: a cop, or B: in school for criminal justice