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Mr. Jollypants

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not if you download. You gain nothing... but just change the hash marks in the memory of my computer... that i bought. :D
Hash Marks in the Memory?

If you're going to try and sound geeky, and least know what you're talking about.
 

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Hash Marks in the Memory?

If you're going to try and sound geeky, and least know what you're talking about.
My bad it doesnt meet your requirements all holy amazing CC post corrector dude. next time ill take my sarcastic post a little bit more serious ;)

oh and please, if your criticize, at least correct my knowledge that is wrong. Or else i have no clue what your point really is?
 


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not if you download. You gain nothing... but just change the hash marks in the memory of my computer... that i bought. :D
you gain the experience of having heard the music... what if you ride an amusement park ride without paying.. you are stealing.. it is the same.. just because you do not PHYSICALLY take something.. doesnt make it not stealing..

look everyone does it whatever... but dont try to make every one feel better about it acting like its not wrong...
 

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My bad it doesnt meet your requirements all holy amazing CC post corrector dude. next time ill take my sarcastic post a little bit more serious ;)

oh and please, if your criticize, at least correct my knowledge that is wrong. Or else i have no clue what your point really is?
If you have no idea how hash works or how its stored, why should I correct you?
 


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you gain the experience of having heard the music... what if you ride an amusement park ride without paying.. you are stealing.. it is the same.. just because you do not PHYSICALLY take something.. doesnt make it not stealing..

look everyone does it whatever... but dont try to make every one feel better about it acting like its not wrong...
The theory is this. Piracy is not stealing, because if your stealing, you have to take something that you would have otherwise paid for. Pirates take something they had no intention of paying for, therefore, the artist or record company is not losing out on a sale, as they would like you to think/believe. They sue on the basis of, losing a sale. Which they are not.

Let's take the amusement park ride as an example, to get there, you had to pay to get in. You get in, you know you have to pay to ride it, you think about paying for it, then figure, naw, I'll just ride it. You are stealing because you had the intention of paying, how can they prove that? You paid to get into the amusement park.

Back to the RIAA, MPAA, WhateverthefuckelseAA, they sue to go "Look! S/He stole this! We lost a sale!" Now, prove to me, how I was going to originally pay for that CD. Prove to me, how you can get into my head, and tell me I actually thought about buying the CD/Movie.
 
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If you have no idea how hash works or how its stored, why should I correct you?
so you dont know either? damn i was hoping to actually understand what that dude meant i heard talking the other day.
 

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The theory is this. Piracy is not stealing, because if your stealing, you have to take something that you would have otherwise paid for. Pirates take something they had no intention of paying for, therefore, the artist or record company is not losing out on a sale, as they would like you to think/believe.
think the cable company will accept that if i just stop paying the bill?

listen im going to steal cable because if i didnt i would not buy my own so that makes it ok...:???:

like i said no big deal.. everyone does it.. everyone has done it for years.. my friends used to make each other tapes.... so whatever... while everyone does it.. and it is extremely common place.. its still stealing..
 

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so you dont know either? damn i was hoping to actually understand what that dude meant i heard talking the other day.
I know exactly how hash is done, calculated and stored. I know how it's stored because it's NOT stored.

If a dude was talking about it, and you don't understand it, maybe you should look into another career.

It is completely impossible to figure out the original input in a hashing algorithm without knowing the data that was used to create it.

Example:
My hash value is: 73818121, what was my original input?

Hashing generates a unique alphanumeric value to identify a particular computer file, group of files, or even an entire hard drive.

When it comes to music or movies, the hash value stays the same (Even when a name is changed), the only way to change that hash value is by actually changing the data that music file is stored in (Changing the length of a song or movie, ect.)

This is why when you download a file, it is becoming more common for that download site to include a MD5 hash value for that file, do a check on the file, and if the hash values do not match, either the file is corrupted or has been compromised.

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My original input was 84751.
 

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I know exactly how hash is done, calculated and stored. I know how it's stored because it's NOT stored.

If a dude was talking about it, and you don't understand it, maybe you should look into another career.

It is completely impossible to figure out the original input in a hashing algorithm without knowing the data that was used to create it.

Example:
My hash value is: 73818121, what was my original input?

Hashing generates a unique alphanumeric value to identify a particular computer file, group of files, or even an entire hard drive.

When it comes to music or movies, the hash value stays the same (Even when a name is changed), the only way to change that hash value is by actually changing the data that music file is stored in (Changing the length of a song or movie, ect.)

This is why when you download a file, it is becoming more common for that download site to include a MD5 hash value for that file, do a check on the file, and if the hash values do not match, either the file is corrupted or has been compromised.

FYI:
My original input was 84751.

so where is the hash at? I'm confused... I just figured it would have to be stored somewhere in memory. Since its not in the battery or dvd drive. and i have never even learned about hashing... just simply heard someone talk about it the other day while discussing piracy.
 

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A Hash (Mix and chop) value is a variety of mathmatical algorithms. Explaining it would take HOURS.

A Hash value all has to do with the data that file is made up of. If a files data by 1 byte, the hash value will be completely different than the originals.

It's either 32bit or 128bit, usually 128bit MD5. A 128bit number has 3,402,823,669,209,384,634,633,746,074,300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 different combinations.
 

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A Hash (Mix and chop) value is a variety of mathmatical algorithms. Explaining it would take HOURS.

A Hash value all has to do with the data that file is made up of. If a files data by 1 byte, the hash value will be completely different than the originals.

It's either 32bit or 128bit, usually 128bit MD5. A 128bit number has 3,402,823,669,209,384,634,633,746,074,300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 different combinations.
but if i change the files in the computer memory... i would be changing the hash marks also...
 

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but if i change the files in the computer memory... i would be changing the hash marks also...
Hash marks? Memory? Again?

I REALLY hope you're not in school doing some type of IT degree and still calling the computers hard-drive it's memory.
 

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Hash marks? Memory? Again?

I REALLY hope you're not in school doing some type of IT degree and still calling the computers hard-drive it's memory.
well i guess the definition of memory is incorrect then...

i thought memory was a place which information was stored..
and hard drive stores information.

so you have me more confused then ever now... hard drives dont store information... and hash marks are in batteries...
that last part is sarcasm.... to make me feel better on the interwebs :D
 

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Typically a computers memory is used to store information TEMPORARILY. A computers hard-drive (by design) is used to store information indefinitely, and is considered a storage device.

Most information is stored on your memory (Very temporarily, milliseconds) then transferred to your hard-drive or erased. Ironically, in todays technology, the critical parts of the OS (For windows, it's Explorer, SVCHOST, ect.) are stored in the memory (RAM) which help performance and stability, since these components are being accessed, changed, all the time, it never stops, which is what RAM (AKA Random Access Memory) is good for. When you open Microsoft Word, for example, the programs essential files are loaded into the RAM, when you open a file, it too, is loaded into the RAM, when you save it, it saves the changes you've made to the file being stored in the RAM, when you close that file (Not the program) it is then written to the storage device (Hard Drive) and purged from the RAM. This is why when a computer freezes when saving, a file can become corrupted, because all the data had not been written to the storage device, where the file is located and saved.

Although a hard-drive was considered a memory device for a long while, because for that while, it was the ONLY memory a computer had. Up till 3-4 years ago is when the hard-drive was not considered a memory device because it had gone from being the only memory a computer had, to being a storage device, where files are stored indefinitely, and not purged when the system was shut down or restarted.
 

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Both of you just shut up already. Jesus titty f**king christ. Jason, most, if not all regular posters know you're a computer guy. SF must not have known what he was talking about. Leave it at that. I like you dude but lately you've been a gigantic d**k, correcting every single little flaw of every post. Don't take it personally, but take a chill pill man.
 

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:P Consider it done.
 


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