supercharging b16 or b18

[KillaGuizEj8Si]

Thanks man for the great advice. I looooove cars and screwing around with them. I would love to learn how to do a full swap dont get me wrong, but i only have my car to get to arlington ma everyday from RI.. so i need it. I dont own an engine jack or more than one jack yet. Maybe i will start researching the ls and doing the swap myself. I love the accomplished feeling of doing things yourself but its hard when ya dont have equipment. then again, i could improvise. HMMMMM... will i need a new tranny for the ls? or literally just the ls motor, ecu, etc...
Also when you say, piece together an ls turbo, what exactly do you mean? like pick up different intercooler pipes, bovs, wastegates etc. Im unsure on what you mean. Thanks a bunch though for your advice.

it seems like u need to do a little more research on engines and what would actually go into your car your current d series engine and tranny will not work with a b series engine i.e B18b1 b18c1 b18c5 b16a2 they have all different trannys so be it they are interchangable in the b family but they all have different gear ratios and prices. Have you given any thought into thought obd1 or obd2 . There is alot to be found with the search button bro believe me , the honda game has been around a long time odds are it has been talked about and researched before the knowledge is just there for u to find it

 

[Stock99ex]

it seems like u need to do a little more research on engines and what would actually go into your car your current d series engine and tranny will not work with a b series engine i.e B18b1 b18c1 b18c5 b16a2 they have all different trannys so be it they are interchangable in the b family but they all have different gear ratios and prices. Have you given any thought into thought obd1 or obd2 . There is alot to be found with the search button bro believe me , the honda game has been around a long time odds are it has been talked about and researched before the knowledge is just there for u to find it

yeah i didnt think my tranny would work. Im still goin strong with the research button and wont stop until im content. Thanks for the info... btw, my plan was to put 5 to 6k of work in her. lol xP i dont want all cheap ebay s**t goin in. I take pride in my sh*t and stride to have the cleanest, nicest sounding car... or anything for that matter. haha clarify afew issues.....

 

[Blood_Shot]

6k into a civic is chump change consider the price of a decent after market cat back or the price of F2 coilovers with Bwr camber kit and your at $2000 right there, not even considering a decent exhaust manifold to tide him over till boost. What about ppl with fully built gsr with more than $12K into just the motor and thats in a $2k civic so $6K is not a heap load of money. Where do u get off saying all of my knowledge is from your previous post? Thats called a Troll dude just waiting for some one to post to bash them, my intelligence in hondas is not reflected by my post count

I dont sit around and wait for people to say outlandish things. Look I was not here to bash the OP, that has become quite old. I gave him another, less expensive, more fullfilling route. I bashed your claim of having to spend thousand of dollars and having almost nothing to show for it except a one way street to alot of speeding tickets. I showed the OP a legit setup that is not expensive and will be alot of fun and in the end he would appreciate more

 

[KillaGuizEj8Si]

I dont sit around and wait for people to say outlandish things. Look I was not here to bash the OP, that has become quite old. I gave him another, less expensive, more fullfilling route. I bashed your claim of having to spend thousand of dollars and having almost nothing to show for it except a one way street to alot of speeding tickets. I showed the OP a legit setup that is not expensive and will be alot of fun and in the end he would appreciate more

lol you are very odd, explain to him where and how he could get a b20 turbo for less than $2000 that is reliable for a DD sh*t tell me where i can get it and ill buy it 110 traps for $2000 ill sell my B16 full swap with papers for just around that money and wont have to do anything. Your a Troll by saying my numbers are obsurd and then saying all my knowledge comes from me reading your previous post
really????
REALLY????
And saving him from speeding tickets how so ...omfg you really talk out ur A** hole but wat eva im done with this i aint posting on this thread anymore .....mods pls close i dnt think there is anything good that is going to come from this thread

 

[Blood_Shot]

awesome that you got it all for a good price and thanx for trying to do wat everyone else on every forum does is bash someone. The kid is talking about buying a swap off the internet name a site with a gsr swap under $1800. Do you believe he has the knowledge to do a swap himself he was already talking about bringing a car to a shop so they would do the swap for him. then he would need the knowledge of piecing together a turbo using dsm parts i.e. dsm injectors, or a td04h. Im not assuming he knows how to tune him self or he even has a p28 ecu that he had chipped ready for data logging and a eprom burner. So my best guess is that him considering he would pay out the a** for ppl to do the work for him itll run 6000k. Me personaly i got my b16 swap for $500 because i purchased the em1 totaled from a auction and piece together a dsm hybrid turbo for less than $500. So pls dnt assume that they are dumb amounts you have to consider everyones situation....damn my last ls swap I got for free so come on dude lets stop the trolling

the f**king info in this f**king post IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. That is the exact setup Im running on my b20. You yourself just proved my point by saying how cheap you made your setup, AND then you f**king gave him the EXACT f**king advice I gave him. Then in the same post you repeat he isnt capable of finding a friend or place to do it, you even offer to help him. But you'll just let him throw away thousands of dollars and the possibility of actually learning more about the car he owns and drives. If you had a little more brain function you would understand he is going to swap and boost this thing and end up getting caught racing or getting a gnarly ticket because that is what he is looking to do. Also why the f**k should I tell you where I got all my s**t from, remember you have the bottomless pit of info on hondas remember

OP have fun and do what you want. Dont do anything dumb and plan your s**t out like crazy so you are not hung out to dry.

As for me it's wat eva I aint got no more to say so Im done with this thread like whoa

 

[obracer12]

LOL at the noobness in this thread.

To cover all the bases, more research needs to be done on OP and others behalf. Turbo > S/C in a high revving application, keeps you at better gas mileage while giving you the power range after 3.5k. S/C = all power all the time and I would suggest it for an LS build on a budget.

FAITH is 100% correct. Most, if not all builds for the hp goals a value build is the BEST way to go. My first turbo build was on a internally stock b16a2 and completed for around 3k including tuning and made 255whp and 178ft/lb and took about a year and change to complete. How you ask? I'll keep it simple and make a loose itemized list of the parts and cost.

you can get a hold of 2gn GS-T(Eclipse) (from a junk yard) manifold, injectors and turbo, clean, rebuild, clock and use on a b-series... $3-400 DONE.

What's left? Fuel and tune.

Fuel - Walboro 295/340 - $ 200 Tops

Tune - P28 + Socket = $160
- Chip + 3-5 hours tuning time at a reputable tuning shop ~= $100/hr + Chip = $700 (give or take)

Extras/ misc. - ext. wastegate / block off plate for DSM turbo wastegate and blow off valve - $300
- Vacuum manifold - $30
- SRT-4 Intercooler - $50
- lines, sandwich plate, catch can, oil pan w/ drain - $250
- Intercooler piping - $90 (bent at a local exhaust shop)
- Skunk 2 IM + TB = $600
- Gauges (temp, boost, A/F) - 300
- various random replacement parts (oil filter, broken clips and extended wires) ~ 30

Total = 3,110

You don't need to dump huge amounts of money into a motor to get moderate gains and if you're spending 10's of thousands of dollars on a daily modified motor you are insane/an idiot... for a full race motor, go nuts. For 250hp and daily driven, value is your friend.

 

[Alarm Guru]

alarm guru that is all im looking for let me know ur set up ....not trying to thread jack but i commute to work twice a month on an excess 300+ miles am i just retarded to believe that i would be able to make a DD turbo b16. Dude if your young dont just read about type r which is a c5 and all this crazy power lol. It is a very expensive hobby to be in, an Ls motor is a b18 also but it is non vtec and low compression these motors love boost and is very easy to tune because it does not have vtec which excludes the 2nd cam profile. You have to know about tuning, fuel system, cooling, clutch, all these things are essential to be in fine working order or upgraded. Concidering you have yet to do a swap or price it out and your looking to turbo its pretty expensive like around $6000+ considering you get a swap off the internet. Dnt just think that you need a b series to have fun semi build ur y8 head and use arp hardwear and turbo that i mean u will never get as much power as a b series but it'll tide u over till your subbie or do like i do when i want to go crazy freakishly fast i take a ride on my hayabusa

B16a2 w/B16a3 tranny, dual valve springs and retainers, gsr cams, 2.5 exhaust custom to tanabi muffler, inline pro log manifold, tial 38mm wastegate, blitz DD bov (POS!!), turbonetics t3/td04 57 trim turbo, walbro, rc 310 injectors, b&m fpr and i think that was it. it ended up making 351whp @ 14.5 lbs on the dyno with the injectors at a 95% duty cycle (not recommended lol) i paid a little over 800 for my whole kit piecing it together over a months time. street tune was like 50 bucks locally. phearable.net does a great basemap tho and ill go with them next

 

[Blood_Shot]

Im not siding with that dude in the slightest and I understand the OP's position. Im just trying to get him to slow his s**t down before he jumps into a money pit.

 

[Stock99ex]

Thank you EVERYBODY for your valued input. No need to get mad. haha
Im still unsure if i will go forced induction with this car. i might just wait until the subie to upgrade everything. For this Im thinking a b18c5, with bolt ons. Therefore it will continue to be a reliable car with a strong/short itr tranny. I should be able to get to my 200-230hp mark with a tune after the bolt-ons. For anyone who has had this setup. info? if not no big deal
Thanks again... everybody.
Il keep everyone posted im sure. haha

 

[obracer12]

if you get a C5 with perfect compression and leak down testing and bolt ons + tune. You will barely get 200 whp, get ready to be disappointed with an N/A with bolt-ons. There will be a whole bunch of noise and not much go.

 

[2slo4u]

you wont get to 200-230hp mark unless you really build it up ..heck, k series motor tuned with k-pro and mods only get about 260 hp NA if lucky, who cares about horsepower! its the way you drive your car, when you are at certain horsepower you have to worry about traction and other things, i was able to take cars with my 340 hp civic even when the other cars were known for making over 400 horse power..its about usable street power

 

[obracer12]

^ that is true

at the end of the day, it's just a number. You can make 1000hp, but if you can't drive it all goes to waste.

 

[Blood_Shot]

with a decent suspension and good rubber an ITR swap in your coupe can still be slightly quick

 

[Alarm Guru]

you wont get to 200-230hp mark unless you really build it up ..heck, k series motor tuned with k-pro and mods only get about 260 hp NA if lucky, who cares about horsepower! its the way you drive your car, when you are at certain horsepower you have to worry about traction and other things, i was able to take cars with my 340 hp civic even when the other cars were known for making over 400 horse power..its about usable street power

crazy thing is that a turbo b16a on 10lbs is just as reliable as a c5 and still costs less and WILL make more power. reliability depends on the tune. ive had a c5 in a LS teg and i was NOT that impressed till i put nitrous on it. 100 shot ftw my type r made 172whp and 259 with my wet shot. tuned by one of the best in VA

 

[obracer12]

^ but you run out of nitrous, and given weather conditions it operates differently.

IMO nitrous is the gateway to turbo builds. Tuning on nitrous is a step most people miss.

Budget boost build, learn more, start fresh with a motor out of the car for a full build at your discretion (mild to full race). You'll be much happier in the long run. I wasted too much money on an N/A build and got half the gains/ drivable power..

Started with a b16a2 turbo build with DSM parts and a 16G turbo, was happy with it, but boost = crack and you always want more.

Now Poor man's type-r with a mild bottom end build (pistons/rods/ studs/ gaskets to lower comp to 10:1) Holset HX35, ram style exhaust manifold... blah, blah, blah... at the end of the day it made 325whp on a mild tune for DD. According to Jeff Evans it could safely handle around 375whp with my supporting mods, the turbo is good until around 450. I'm happy with it for now, but I'm starting to get the itch to do more.