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May be asking much, but where exactly does one start when getting into firearms and ranges? I plan on getting a concealed carry sometime after I turn 21 (November this year) and would like to start practicing and getting advice for handling and such.

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May be asking much, but where exactly does one start when getting into firearms and ranges? I plan on getting a concealed carry sometime after I turn 21 (November this year) and would like to start practicing and getting advice for handling and such.

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It's not hard man.

Go to a range/gun store at an off peak hour ( 2-3pm saturday or 10am sunday) and tell the guy/gal behind the counter " I'm new, top to bottom, I don't even have my paperwork yet." and someone will take care of you. Be comfortable, there is nothing to be afraid of and it is kindof a serious situation. you will be holding a weapon. Be polite and ask to dry fire, where to point (the floor is always good) and ask if they can break it down for you ( you need to know how complex it is to clean).

Keep in mind your price range, your income and your time available before you purchase. And what type of shooting you'll be doing

For instance. I wanted something below $700, 9mm ( box of 50 is roughly $18) and I can go to the range 2-3 times a week to train. So I eliminated a bunch of options.. Sig Saur, most Barretta, most Walther and anything 1911. 9mm because it's cheap to shoot and I wanted semi auto-striker fire. I was in the market for a nightstander and the glocks felt sloppy to shoot and the M&Ps made me feel nothing inside while I shot it, the FN felt like it was solid, snapped back into firing position and filled my hand nicely + the aggressive grip ( same as the SCAR btw) it felt like a gun and felt in tolerance but also felt that it could get beat up a little and keep on ticking in a SHTF situation.

The best thing to do is to experience the culture and hold/ test fire a few before you " pull the trigger" . Talk to some of the guys/gals there and ask questions. If someone gets frustrated with you, go to another place. The mom-pop places are MUCH better IMHO than the Cabela's or Dicks where they are just trying to get commission.

Look into your state and muni laws regarding firearms and take the appropriate steps... forms, finger prints, references, background checks... etc.. and be patient.

Vic is always good for some more acute information. I'm a novice in most respects and he had more expensive guns than I do lol.

^They make great guns. I hope to have one in .45 one day.
Dude, you have no idea, it feels so crisp and clean to fire. thumb saftey ( which is nice) all stainless upper and breaks down like a glock+sig made a beautiful love child. I recommend one
 


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It's not hard man.

Go to a range/gun store at an off peak hour ( 2-3pm saturday or 10am sunday) and tell the guy/gal behind the counter " I'm new, top to bottom, I don't even have my paperwork yet." and someone will take care of you. Be comfortable, there is nothing to be afraid of and it is kindof a serious situation. you will be holding a weapon. Be polite and ask to dry fire, where to point (the floor is always good) and ask if they can break it down for you ( you need to know how complex it is to clean).

Keep in mind your price range, your income and your time available before you purchase. And what type of shooting you'll be doing

For instance. I wanted something below $700, 9mm ( box of 50 is roughly $18) and I can go to the range 2-3 times a week to train. So I eliminated a bunch of options.. Sig Saur, most Barretta, most Walther and anything 1911. 9mm because it's cheap to shoot and I wanted semi auto-striker fire. I was in the market for a nightstander and the glocks felt sloppy to shoot and the M&Ps made me feel nothing inside while I shot it, the FN felt like it was solid, snapped back into firing position and filled my hand nicely + the aggressive grip ( same as the SCAR btw) it felt like a gun and felt in tolerance but also felt that it could get beat up a little and keep on ticking in a SHTF situation.

The best thing to do is to experience the culture and hold/ test fire a few before you " pull the trigger" . Talk to some of the guys/gals there and ask questions. If someone gets frustrated with you, go to another place. The mom-pop places are MUCH better IMHO than the Cabela's or Dicks where they are just trying to get commission.

Look into your state and muni laws regarding firearms and take the appropriate steps... forms, finger prints, references, background checks... etc.. and be patient.

Vic is always good for some more acute information. I'm a novice in most respects and he had more expensive guns than I do lol.



Dude, you have no idea, it feels so crisp and clean to fire. thumb saftey ( which is nice) all stainless upper and breaks down like a glock+sig made a beautiful love child. I recommend one
That is rely helpful. I appreciate it. When I'm home from college for the summer, I'll have plenty of time. I might see if there's a range up here near my school as my mom doesn't like guns and doesn't want me to have anything to do with them.

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That is rely helpful. I appreciate it. When I'm home from college for the summer, I'll have plenty of time. I might see if there's a range up here near my school as my mom doesn't like guns and doesn't want me to have anything to do with them.
My parents are the same way. When I moved out and got my own house I went a took my CCW class but never applied to get the permit. They said it would be one of the dumbest decisions of my life to get a gun. Well I got one last April and they have yet to find out. I just need to get my permit by October before I have to retake the class.

Another tip, if you are looking for something to actually carry daily and not just for target practice, ask them for suggestions on guns to carry. See if you can try different gun / holster combinations because each one is different.
 


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My parents are the same way. When I moved out and got my own house I went a took my CCW class but never applied to get the permit. They said it would be one of the dumbest decisions of my life to get a gun. Well I got one last April and they have yet to find out. I just need to get my permit by October before I have to retake the class.

Another tip, if you are looking for something to actually carry daily and not just for target practice, ask them for suggestions on guns to carry. See if you can try different gun / holster combinations because each one is different.
Thanks for that. I'm not exactly sure on all of PA's laws, but I know we're an open carry state. I'm gonna be looking into them. I've never fired before, but I would love to try some H&K weapons. Any of you have experience with them?

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Thanks for that. I'm not exactly sure on all of PA's laws, but I know we're an open carry state. I'm gonna be looking into them. I've never fired before, but I would love to try some H&K weapons. Any of you have experience with them?
While open carry is legal you have to be extremely careful. People will end up calling the cops on you and you can get charged with inducing panic.
 

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I open carry in Ohio daily and I'm never harassed. The cops around here know it's legal and have stopped wasting time on the law abiding. Also open carry is not a reason to be charged with inducing panic.
 

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While open carry is legal you have to be extremely careful. People will end up calling the cops on you and you can get charged with inducing panic.
Yeah I didn't necessarily mean I would, that's kind of why I want to get my concealed license so that I'll have it on me, but no one will be uncomfortable for being around it.

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I open carry in Ohio daily and I'm never harassed. The cops around here know it's legal and have stopped wasting time on the law abiding. Also open carry is not a reason to be charged with inducing panic.
It may not be common but i know it has happened.
 

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I went to the range today actually. Shot a friend of mine's springfield xdm. Match grade. Fun gun.



And this Taurus that I wasn't a fan of.




@jared, h&k makes great guns! Just mostly expensive. You can't really touch them for under 700 in my experience, and at that price you're looking at sigs and the like as well. I think a glock is a well rounded middle priced gun, (500 dollar range), and I love my m&p shield. It's just like ob said though, everyone is different. Try a few in your hand and see what feels natural for you. Don't cheap out either though. Don't buy a hi-point or anything like that, stick to reputable name brands. Smith & wesson, Springfield armory, glock, beretta, sig sauer, h&k, etc. Major manufacturers. Tried and true.
 

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Yeah the videos are online. Some cops haven't got the memo yet. As for a first handgun, mine was the Glock 23. It's 40cal and fit perfect in my smaller hands. It's also well balanced so recoil is almost zero.
 

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@jared, h&k makes great guns! Just mostly expensive. You can't really touch them for under 700 in my experience, and at that price you're looking at sigs and the like as well. I think a glock is a well rounded middle priced gun, (500 dollar range), and I love my m&p shield. It's just like ob said though, everyone is different. Try a few in your hand and see what feels natural for you. Don't cheap out either though. Don't buy a hi-point or anything like that, stick to reputable name brands. Smith & wesson, Springfield armory, glock, beretta, sig sauer, h&k, etc. Major manufacturers. Tried and true.
Ouch $700 is a lot. I'd probably stay towards the cheaper side. You don't have to own a gun to go to a range regularly, do you? Because I'd like to practice, but it isn't financially within my reach to purchase a handgun at the moment. Over summer when I am steadily working will be better.

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Ouch $700 is a lot. I'd probably stay towards the cheaper side. You don't have to own a gun to go to a range regularly, do you? Because I'd like to practice, but it isn't financially within my reach to purchase a handgun at the moment. Over summer when I am steadily working will be better.

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It's not cheap by any means to get into firearms. you have the fingerprinting ($65-85), permit fees $5 +$2 for each handgun permit, price of the firearm - $345-the sky, eye protection, ear protection, cleaning/maintaining/oiling equipment/supplies, safe/lockable case, range time, NRA membership if you want or your range mandates it... etc...

To be honest, I would only rent a gun to try it out before purchase... I wouldn't make it a common practice to rent with something you don't own. Range time is to be proficient with the weapon you own.

But to more specifically answer your question, yes, you can go to a rental range that will rent firearms for about $30 each and then range time + ammo.

To put it in perspective, the FN I just bought was $625 and it's considered middle of the pack ( mix a glock 17($500 gun) and a sig saur p226 (~$700 gun)
 

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Ob nailed it. ^^

Guns are expensive. No way around it. Ammo is expensive. I went to the range yesterday and brought my own gun, eye and ear protection. All I bought was the range time (12 bucks), two boxes of 9mm ammo (16 bucks a piece = 32 bucks for 100 rounds. Goes quick), and a target for 1.50. Ended up spending 47 dollars for an hour of shooting. It goes quick. If I were you, and just wanted practice shooting anything, I would rent a .22 pistol or rifle and just shoot the hell out of it. .22 ammo is cheap, but hard to find.

My local range has handgun rental for 5 bucks. You pay 5 dollars and you can change out guns as many times as you want. I could bring 1000 rounds of .22lr and try every .22 pistol they have for rent for just 5 bucks.

Look into it man! If your money is like mine, you kind of have to pick one hobby over another. I chose guns over cars.
 

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I honestly want to get one for protection, although it would be kind of fun to just let loose at the range. I live on the outside of the city and lately there has been a lot of robberies and there was also an gunfight a few months ago not even 1/4 mile away from my house. The amount of sketchy people that have flocked to my neighborhood and the surrounding neighborhood just makes me uncomfortable, especially for my family. Not to mention all this talk about the government and s*** cracking down and all the damn conspiracy theories about some red dawn type s***.

I wanna get my permits and licenses and get something small and light to conceal easily, but without completely breaking the bank. When I actually have a steady income, it'll be easier to go about this, so right now I have to think efficiently. I currently am saving for coils for my car, but after that I can start putting money away for this. I was actually looking into the H&K website and saw the HK45 which is a very small .45 ACP handgun, although I'm not sure what that would run me price wise. Maybe I'll start out on a Glock as well. I appreciate all of the information, though. Definitely glad to have you lot here to help me through it. I'm gonna look to see if there's any local ranges around my school to just stop in and check out for now. The SIG SAUER P226 looks like a comfortable handgun.


How about this? My friend has a Taurus and he loves it.
http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?pdesc=Taurus-PT-738-TCP-Handgun&i=GM443702
 

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People either hate or love Taurus. There are very few that don't have a feeling one way or the other. Personally, the one I took my CCW class was a pain. I was constantly releasing the magazine every few shots. Got annoying fast. Like mentioned earlier, go to a range, rent a few guns, and see how they feel.
 

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Taurus is hit and miss. My Judge works flawlessly. My sister's .357 has been sent back 3 times because the cylinder locks up after the 3rd shot. I also have a Taurus PT140 Pro that works great. It's a slim framed .40 that runs in the $300 - $400 range.
 

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@jared, sigs and h&k's are great guns, but you're around the 800 dollar range with those.

Look into kel tec's, particularly the pf9. Can be had for under 300. Not a bad gun.
 

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A friend of mine said we are gonna go look at guns when I come home from college for sporting break. He has a Taurus PT140 Pro and he loves it. It's small and light, perfect for concealment.

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If someone gets frustrated with you, go to another place. The mom-pop places are MUCH better IMHO than the Cabela's or Dicks where they are just trying to get commission.
Everything else that he said is very good information. I just want to emphasize this piece though. If you're feeling rushed at all, don't be embarrassed to walk out and try a different store. When you're talking to someone about guns, you should feel like you're talking to your friend. They shouldn't really push one gun or another, and they should be more than willing to show you ANY gun you want to see.

I like everything he said about narrowing down what you plan to purchase. There's different calibers, firing mechanisms, and safeties. The firing mechanism and safety features on a Glock are completely different from the firing mechanism and safety on my 1911. MOST of it is personal preference, and there is a safe way to carry just about any pistol you can purchase. The important thing is to get a pistol you're comfortable holding/shooting, and then learn how to shoot it well.

Guns are like cars. There's a lot of manufacturers, and a lot of models within each manufacturer. There's also very similar performing firearms between each manufacturer. The Glock is a great pistol manufacturer, with a great reliability record and a lot of models to choose from. However there's other pistols that are very similar in function, yet differ greatly in ergonomics. Since you're planning on carrying, you can narrow your search down quite a bit. You can figure out what you want to carry, and how you want to carry it.

One of the most important things, that I feel at least, when shopping for a pistol is the ergonomics. Your grip is going to determine greatly in how well you shoot. If it's simply not comfortable for you to hold, put it down and move on to the next one. Trust me, you have enough options. Natural grip is the best way to get a good fit for a pistol. Without looking, point the pistol in a safe direction. THEN look down the sights. If the sights are relatively lined up with how you naturally point the pistol, you're in good shape. When I try this test on Glocks, the front sight is too high due to the grip angle. This is why I'll never own a Glock. You'll understand what I mean when you try this test. Check how much real estate you have on the grip. If the gun feels too big, move on. If you have big hands and it's too small, move on. If the movement of your index finger from the side of the slide to the trigger feels unnatural, move on. You'll eliminate a lot of pistols from your selection simply based on natural feel, and I promise that you'll get a pistol you like to shoot. Once you narrow it down this way, go to the shooting range. This should save you some money from test firing too many pistols that just aren't a good fit for you. Do some research based on brand reliability and customer service as well. By the time you narrow everything down based on feel and brand, you're only going to have a few different pistols to decide from.
 


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