Chaos's Christmas BuildUp

[kyle10182]

i am anxious for a response to that, btw.

 

[TiiM iiS l3eAsT]

i read on other sites than d-series that a chromoly flywheel is better.....

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344837
http://www.highaltitudeimports.com/showthread.php?t=36916
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=243312
http://www.prostreetonline.com/s/drivetrain_exedy-clutch-and-flywheel.asp
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=18417

 

[Destroy]

This thread cracks me up. Dude gets owned left and right.

 

[TiiM iiS l3eAsT]

ummmm.....ok

some people need to grow up??^^

 

[kyle10182]

i read on other sites than d-series that a chromoly flywheel is better.....

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344837
http://www.highaltitudeimports.com/showthread.php?t=36916
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=243312
http://www.prostreetonline.com/s/drivetrain_exedy-clutch-and-flywheel.asp
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=18417

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344837- The only complaint this guy says is that they are little "noisier" then steel flywheels. And he also notes that its possible to f**k up if u replace the inside disk. so what? resurface it if you wanted to.

http://www.highaltitudeimports.com/showthread.php?t=36916

You can resurface chromoly too. It's just more of a pain. From an engineering perspective, chromoly is the far better choice. It's stronger, can have a better strength to weight ratio (depending on the grade and how its manufactured), and it will last for more cycles than an aluminum flywheel. It'll probably be pricier though.

This was really the only negative comments i could find about the aluminum flywheel on that site. in fact, there are at LEAST 10 other people on there saying +1 for Aluminum. But to address this guy, he's like you and made a remark about the flywheel assuming that the ENTIRE wheel is Aluminum including the mating surface. he's incorrect. if you did some real research you would have been able to call that out.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=243312

One thing about aluminum is that it contorts its shape under heat. Basically when it gets hot it expands more than steel. Also aluminum is weaker than steel. Some aluminum flywheels have lost their flat surface under heat expansion. Yes they have steel inserts but the aluminum is the backbone to the steel insert. So if the aluminum decides to contort the insert will also contort. This could leave you with a not completely flat surface and you would loose surface area contact for the clutch disc thus clutch slipage. This is one reason I have decided to go with chromoly steel. It is rigid.

Again, another misinformed person confusing your mind. He says that aluminum is the "backbone?" Thats not the case. there is just as much steel as there is aluminum, so the steel naturally would be the backbone. Because it is naturally stronger. How can the aluminum cause the mating surface to slip when the mating surface is a stronger metal (steel)???

http://www.prostreetonline.com/s/drivetrain_exedy-clutch-and-flywheel.asp
couldn't find much there. just that exedy sells both aluminum and steel flywheels. so what?

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=18417

I haven't used any of the aftermarket Miata flywheels, but I can give you some general information.

Although this can vary with design, aluminum flywheels are more likely to be damaged by heat than a standard weight iron or steel flywheel. However, extremely light iron or steel flywheels can have the same limitation.

The lower weight/mass of an aluminum flywheel can cause the engine to idle rougher. And for the same reasons, the car will be more likely to stall when starting from a stop.

If not made correctly, the starter ring gear on an aluminum flywheel is more likely to become loose.

The mounting bolts on some aluminum flywheels tend to loosen.(Torque the flywheel cold and use locktite)

Your car will accelerate noticeably faster(especially in the lower gears) with an aluminum flywheel.

This guys negative points are all invalid. He says the same crap about them getting too hot, but admits that the lightweight steel can have the same affects (probably because the mating surfaces are the same damn thing)

Then he says light flywheels make the car idle rough. which is not a good point. because my steel flywheel weighs .5lb more then my aluminum flywheel did. So the same problems can occur with both. But air/fuel tuning with fix that problem, regardless.

Then he admits that the car will accelerate faster with the aluminum unit.

 

[Big_Mull_Style]

ummmm.....ok

some people need to grow up??^^

kind of contradicted yourself there.

 

[kyle10182]

didnt think i'd actually look at those links did you? every one of those links had more negative points in them about steel flywheels compared to aluminum. You didnt do you're research. Had you done so, you would have been mislead so quickly by a few people on some forums. You cannot provide me with facts, just links to people giving the same bullshit that you gave me. Why not present facts like i did above???

 

[kyle10182]

because the aluminum one is made my Fidanza. Fidanza makes REAL parts, for REAL cars. They do real Research & Development. Not just manufacturing.

Do you have any idea what those screws are there for? You're gonna love this. Those screws hold the icredibly strong 1045 steel clutch mating surface onto the 6061 T6 aluminum outer ring. That 6061 T6 aluminum ring is fantastic for strength, heat dissipation and of course reduction in weight. And those little screws you are worried about are military grade aerospace fasteners. Another great thing about the screws is that it makes the friction plates 100% replaceable.

any response to that? Did you know ANY of this before you decided that an aluminum flywheel was no good?

 

[Bruckhoff_34]

I can't wait for a response on this its hilarious. and you should be thanking kyle for trying to help you out so much.

 

[kyle10182]

I can't wait for a response on this its hilarious. and you should be thanking kyle for trying to help you out so much.

i am trying to help. im not really trying to be too nice about it. but i hate when people rely solely on online forums for information. Chaos really doesn't want to admit that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Thats why i'm being so persistent. Its fine to not know EVERYTHING. no one does. But don't act like you made an educated decision when you have no facts to back it up, just some online forum idiot's opinions.

 

[Bruckhoff_34]

i am trying to help. im not really trying to be too nice about it. but i hate when people rely solely on online forums for information. Chaos really doesn't want to admit that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Thats why i'm being so persistent. Its fine to not know EVERYTHING. no one does. But don't act like you made an educated decision when you have no facts to back it up, just some online forum idiot's opinions.

I have a friend that is the same way he reads one thing on the internet and thinks that he now knows everything about tunning. its really frustrating trying to get him to actually research and realize he is not correct about his decisions. but this isnt my thread and i dont want to thread jack it any more so i will sit patiently waiting for chaos's response.

 

[TiiM iiS l3eAsT]

lol....i really dont care what you guys say.....i still say that a chromoly is better than aluminum......sure aluminum can dispate heat better.....but it still isnt as stronger as the chromoly.....the only difference is that the aluminum has a replaceable disc while the chromoly has to be resurfaced though its hard to find a machine shop that will actually resurface it......ive done enough research to say that chromoly is a better choice.....

Steel > Aluminum

 

[Bruckhoff_34]

we saw your research that you posted and almost all of them said that aluminum was better.....

 

[TiiM iiS l3eAsT]

no they didnt lol.....^^^

its just on personal perference i guess.....i mean sure fidanza tests their s**t but im sure gripforce and other companys do testing as well....their just not going to sale it without testing to make sure it works first

 

[slowcivic E G]

no they didnt lol.....^^^

its just on personal perference i guess.....i mean sure fidanza tests their s**t but im sure gripforce and other companys do testing as well....their just not going to sale it without testing to make sure it works first

not necessarily, thats a reason why companies like that sell their parts so cheap, they may be made the same way as other more known companies, they just don't put much, if any R&D into their products.

 

[12.8:1 Ls/vtec]

I have The 7.5 pound Fidanza flywheel on both of my cars, just got one on my DD with an exedy clutch. The other car has one as well, the car revs very fast and yet is still quite nice. The reason people don't like the aluminum ones is b/c they don't know what the hell they are talking about. What about Supertech valvespring retainers? They are made of an aluminum alloy that is apparently strong enough to hold your valves in place so why not srong enough to hold a clutch in place. If you've seen a Fidanza, you will notice the extreme amount of quality that it was made with. They cost more b/c the steel ones are cheaper to produce. And you can make aluminum alloys that are way stronger than steel.

 

[kyle10182]

no they didnt lol.....^^^

yes they did. i actually read those. why dont you go back and read the links you gave me.

let me let you in on a clue here.....When you don't know what your talkin about...READ before you WRITE. it'll make this forum better for all of us, including yourself.

its just on personal perference i guess.....i mean sure fidanza tests their s**t but im sure gripforce and other companys do testing as well....their just not going to sale it without testing to make sure it works first

i can almost 100% guarantee you that GripForce doesn't test s**t.

 

[kyle10182]

lol....i really dont care what you guys say.....i still say that a chromoly is better than aluminum......sure aluminum can dispate heat better.....but it still isnt as stronger as the chromoly.....the only difference is that the aluminum has a replaceable disc while the chromoly has to be resurfaced though its hard to find a machine shop that will actually resurface it......ive done enough research to say that chromoly is a better choice.....

Steel > Aluminum

my point is that strength is not an issue at all with a flywheel. the only thing you really need to upgrade is for the weight. the strength is the same. thats like saying that you want to get new seats that have stainless steel instead of fabric upholstery because fabric can rip. it just doesnt make sense. Its like saying that cast pistons are better then forged pistons.

having a preference is one thing, but presenting your preference as fact like you have facts to back it up in this case is completely wrong. Just look at the evidence.

And one more time, i, myself, am using a steel flywheel on my super-speed-racer-JDM-k20-allmotor-street car. I'm not trying to pick on you for choosing a steel flywheel. i'm just letting you know that the reason you chose one is completely skewed, and your sources are morons.

 

[kyle10182]

They cost more b/c the steel ones are cheaper to produce. And you can make aluminum alloys that are way stronger than steel.

you are slightly incorrect about one thing, and this is another good point that I am making. They DON'T cost more. you were right about everything else though

 

[EF Honda EF]

Well aluminum is shinnery. thats why i bought a new flywheel.