is this for real?! ppl seriously believe this?

[roaddogg3034]

that is where your logic is flawed

that is where your belief overrides your logic.

 

[$lick Rick]

that is where your logic is flawed

And thus we exemplify the limited mental capacity of humans.

The unexplainable is either explained by god or an equally nondescript answer... like 42, either that or it cannot exist.
It's the line of thinking that lead to the dark ages.

Infinity is a concept that humans just cannot wrap their heads around.
Chance cannot happen. That would mean that we are powerless. We make up a character, put all blame and thanks on it with the idea that we have the power to appease it and by doing so control our own destiny.
All that is good or bad or neutral is gods will.
Death is too depressing, so we made up an afterlife.
etc etc etc

 

[Ian123]

Infinity is a concept that humans just cannot wrap their heads around........

thats precisely what im saying. athiests cant understand how God has always existed

 

[$lick Rick]

thats precisely what im saying. athiests cant understand how God has always existed

And another misleading yet presumptuous answer to a question nobody asked.

Belief in a god is only possible with deliberate ignorance.
People use the idea that everything in existence has been deliberately created to explain the existence of a god. But that raises the question "Who created god?" The inevitable answer is, "god has always existed". But if that were true, then it directly disproves the first argument. The two arguments are mutually exclusive.

God is the personification of ignorance.
Religion is the celebration of ignorance.

 

[Ian123]

And another misleading yet presumptuous answer to a question nobody asked.

Belief in a god is only possible with deliberate ignorance.
People use the idea that everything in existence has been deliberately created to explain the existence of a god. But that raises the question "Who created god?" The inevitable answer is, "god has always existed". But if that were true, then it directly disproves the first argument. The two arguments are mutually exclusive.

God is the personification of ignorance.
Religion is the celebration of ignorance.

or $lick Rick is the personification of ignorance?

i also dont care if anyone was asking a question i was making a statement

 

[$lick Rick]

or $lick Rick is the personification of ignorance?

and that's what conversations with koolaid drinkers usually comes down too

When critical thinking goes out the window, all you're left with is.....
"no, you're the doody head"

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

and that's what conversations with koolaid drinkers usually comes down too

When critical thinking goes out the window, all you're left with is.....
"no, you're the doody head"

 

[Ian123]

and that's what conversations with koolaid drinkers usually comes down too

When critical thinking goes out the window, all you're left with is.....
"no, you're the doody head"

i wasnt name-calling i was saying that even though your going around calling religious people ignorant, there is just as good of a chance that your wrong and your being the ignorant one. but your right, i mean you drive a 'short bus to crazyville.' anyone with such a genious sense of humor must be leagues above a mere koolaid drinker like myself.

 

[roaddogg3034]

whats the point of this debate? nobody is going to change their core beliefs. everyone has their own belief, some are shared of course, but its all up to us as individuals.

if you wanna know my belief, its real simple. its called "f**k it, i dont care." im not going to waste countless hours trying to understand everything, im just going to live my life, doing what makes me happy, within my own moral code. if i die and nothing happens, then f**k it, i wont exist to care. if i die and stand before some supreme being of absolute power, cool why not. i have free will and used it accordingly. no more, no less.

 

[kyle97charlie]

The law of chaos states that any system that exists will eventually run itself into oblivion and fail. Earth has been in existence for 4.5 billion years. (estimate)

So, I am lead to believe that Earth itself is a vast "system" that is going to run itself into the ground, but it is still thriving so to me that is proof in itself that we have a omnipresent being that is guiding us.

If you take into consideration to the law of infinites which states that no two objects in space can come into contact because the distance between the two objects can only grow smaller in an infinite number of halfs. Yet, we can still feel someone touch our skin, once again, for fear of being redundant I will not state the obvious again.

 

[$lick Rick]

i wasnt name-calling i was saying that even though your going around calling religious people ignorant, there is just as good of a chance that your wrong and your being the ignorant one.

Nope.
But even if that were true, thanks to my atheism I am able to change my beliefs and update my knowledge without fear of retribution... Thus moving towards greater knowledge and understanding.

Those are all things that are frowned upon in religion. Unless that knowledge and understanding are of the fictional character or characters that people blindly worship to make themselves feel better.

 

[Mr. Jollypants]

So just because Earth is still thriving, it's proof that an omnipresent being is there?

When you have an IQ higher than your post count. Please, come back and post.

 

[Ian123]

Nope.
But even if that were true, thanks to my atheism I am able to change my beliefs and update my knowledge without fear of retribution... Thus moving towards greater knowledge and understanding.

Those are all things that are frowned upon in religion. Unless that knowledge and understanding are of the fictional character or characters that people blindly worship to make themselves feel better.

you keep going back to organized religion, which i will say once again is not what i am defending in this argument

 

[$lick Rick]

you keep going back to organized religion, which i will say once again is not what i am defending in this argument

Nope. I am speaking very broadly... you're the one that keeps trying to narrow my argument.
I am speaking of religion in all forms.
Anything or anyone who worships and/or relies on a supreme being, omnipotent and omnipresent creator, or any other imagined entity to explain the unexplainable.

 

[anfrey]

1) you are correct kyle, everything will run itself into oblivion.. the time just hasn't come yet for this planet. scientists, however, have been closely monitoring Sol as well as the electromagnetic fields around the earth. however, don't forget that the first chaotic law is "the truth is different for everyone." many of us are walking question marks.

2) we are thriving due to our own wits, not due to the guidance of a supreme being. the last time the known civilized world was under a full guidance of an omnipresent being was the dark ages. that set humanity back a great deal.

3) as for the law of infinites, it serves to show that measurements are abstract concepts created by humans. they only truly exist in our mind. though science does a good job in approximating measurements (since they are all based on physical phenomena. for example, 1 mL of water = 1 gram of water = 1 cubic centimeter of water), we could always use more information and more factors for our calculations. as for collisions, i understand that atoms have gaps in them, much like our solar system, and that until we develop better technology, we may not be absolutely certain whether or not there has been a true collision. this, however, is research that is being performed as we speak, and is part of the reason CERN built the LHC. we as humans are still developing both the tools and the understanding of how to observe and measure these things. in fact, a lot of what we know about physics may be thrown out the window when applied at a much smaller scale (ie: particles).

you bring up excellent points and i wish i knew more about physics, metaphysics, and quantum mechanics to discuss this further. perhaps you could give me a few weeks to expand my knowledge and i'll be glad to enjoy a nice conversation/discussion/debate on the subject.

the burden of proof will always come down to tried and tested evidence.

 

[ShinsenTuner]

I'm not going to sit here and debate theology with you. This thread is about Christian "sciences" that are falsities based on scripture. Where you choose to believe you came from isn't the subject matter.

That fact that you choose to believe in a God just because you can't explain it any other way further proves that you don't have any real grounds to debate science.

 

[bizoneoeh]

^^

 

[ShinsenTuner]

Just because I feel the same way doesn't make me a nut swinger... and even then, i don't know why my views of religion or anything of that nature should effect the way you think/feel about me.

 

[anfrey]

they shouldn't. this is a meritocracy.

 

[Ian123]

Just because I feel the same way doesn't make me a nut swinger... and even then, i don't know why my views of religion or anything of that nature should effect the way you think/feel about me.

it makes you a nut swinger because when i saw a new post i thought it would be something interesting but it was just you giving a thumbs up to a post that half of the other people on this thread feel the same about