Michael Richards (Kramer from Seinfield) Flips out

[Astheros]

extra education opportunities for minorities

I never took this as Blackhope saying he wanted more chances for minorities...i think the key word here is not minority but extra...i took it that he meant minorities need extra opportunities as in more than what they have now. i think it had nothing to do with more than white people but all to do with more than what we get now. thats just me though but i think i am right about this OC.

i admitidly did not realize that welathy america was mostly white.. hoenstly.. i didnt.. i thought it would be more diverse... and i ADMITTED to YOU that i was wrong.. for all to see.. its ok to be wrong and to learn something... i think that some thought needs to be given to this statistic and examine why

thank you...now you have realized this....i hope that the next step is for you to look into WHY this is the case. and i hope other people here do the same as well.
whatever conclusion you come to at least ill know it was a researched and educated one so ill respect it.

 

[Astheros]

i also have changed my mind about something....i agree that help needs to be based on need not race. i think this will both satisfy minorities and whites and whoever else is f**king poor in this '1st world' country.

 

[JiuJitsu_greg]

i also have changed my mind about something....i agree that help needs to be based on need not race. i think this will both satisfy minorities and whites and whoever else is f**king poor in this '1st world' country.

 

[NOFX]

its much easier for people just to be real. Much better than nofx and eran trying to I.M. you and explain to you how you are a racist.

Let's get things straight here.

I didn't IM you (you IMed me).

I didn't IM you and tell you you're a racist either.

And I am "being real." I always am. You might not like it... but this is who I am.

In fact here's exactly what was said.

[19:23] BlackHope121: For the record i wasnt calling you an a*****e.
[19:23] NOFXcivic: i know
[19:23] NOFXcivic: you called oc one
[19:23] BlackHope121: yeo
[19:23] BlackHope121: yep
[19:24] NOFXcivic: i figured it was a decent time to requote the song i had before
[19:24] NOFXcivic: it's called "Don't Call Me White"
[19:25] BlackHope121: right
[19:25] BlackHope121: i dont really see how that is relevent
[19:26] NOFXcivic: read the lyrics
[19:26] BlackHope121: later tonight
[19:26] NOFXcivic: ok

And that's all that was said between us. So don't you say otherwise, you f**king liar. Trying to stir s**t up that never happened.

Oh, and since Eran isn't able to defend himself (and I can't post what was said betwen you and him since that'd be me posting for a banned member, which could get me banned)... maybe you shouldn't post about him in here?

and when i come home from a long day at work i should have puppies rainbows and gold on my front lawn

You mean you don't? Hmm... maybe you're not white enough. Might want to get that looked into. Make some calls and stuff.

i also have changed my mind about something....i agree that help needs to be based on need not race. i think this will both satisfy minorities and whites and whoever else is f**king poor in this '1st world' country.

That's much more understandable. Even if we don't 100% agree on political matters.

I could see a school needing help or some other communitee/government facility. But not individual people. Free birth control is available for those who can't afford or are not capable of properly supporting anymore children. And in the event that they still get pregnant, there are abortion and adoption services. If those two solutions don't work for you, send the child to live with a relative in a better area even.

Adults have other ways they can help themselves. Much of which oc has already mentioned several times over in this thread.

 

[BlackHopeDC5]

Let's get things straight here.

I didn't IM you (you IMed me).

I didn't IM you and tell you you're a racist either.

And I am "being real." I always am. You might not like it... but this is who I am.

In fact here's exactly what was said.

And that's all that was said between us. So don't you say otherwise, you f**king liar. Trying to stir s**t up that never happened.

Oh, and since Eran isn't able to defend himself (and I can't post what was said betwen you and him since that'd be me posting for a banned member, which could get me banned)... maybe you shouldn't post about him in here?

You mean you don't? Hmm... maybe you're not white enough. Might want to get that looked into. Make some calls and stuff.

That's much more understandable. Even if we don't 100% agree on political matters.

I could see a school needing help or some other communitee/government facility. But not individual people. Free birth control is available for those who can't afford or are not capable of properly supporting anymore children. And in the event that they still get pregnant, there are abortion and adoption services. If those two solutions don't work for you, send the child to live with a relative in a better area even.

Adults have other ways they can help themselves. Much of which oc has already mentioned several times over in this thread.

haha right.... now post up erans IM... or do you mysteriously not have the one saved...

 

[Melt]

didnt eran get banned a while back?

 

[NOFX]

*I* didn't save anything. Trillian auto saves all conversations. All I do is click on your name in my list and then click on history.

Session Start (erantyint:blackhope121): Wed Nov 22 19:26:42 2006
[19:27] Eranty Int: This is quicker if I explaint it. I was sitting next to amy, and saw that you don't find a song called "Don't Call Me White" relevant to the topic.
[19:27] Eranty Int: You need to understand something: the phrase "white" is racist.
[19:27] Eranty Int: "white" is not a race.
[19:27] blackhope121: yeah
[19:27] Eranty Int: I'm german and norweigan. Amy's cherokee, blackfoot, and irish.
[19:27] Eranty Int: We're not white.
[19:28] Eranty Int: "black" is bad, but it's not quite as bad. 90% of people who are black are african in decent.
[19:28] Eranty Int: where as "white" could be any combonation of race from anywhere on the globe
[19:28] Eranty Int: so that song is relevant
[19:28] Eranty Int: 100%
[19:29] blackhope121: ill read the song in a bit
Session Close (blackhope121): Wed Nov 22 19:29:38 2006


Session Start (erantyint:blackhope121): Wed Nov 22 19:29:40 2006
[19:29] blackhope121: how could the word whites be more racist than blacks?
[19:29] Eranty Int: because if I say you're black, I'm saying you're of african decent
[19:30] Eranty Int: descent*
[19:30] blackhope121: if i say your white
[19:30] Eranty Int: if you call me white
[19:30] Eranty Int: what are you saying I am?
[19:30] blackhope121: your of caucasion decent
[19:30] Eranty Int: so are hispanics
[19:30] Eranty Int: hispanics are caucasian
[19:30] Eranty Int: if you want to get down to nitty gritty classification
[19:30] blackhope121: yes
[19:30] blackhope121: but latinos no
[19:31] blackhope121: puerto rico is latino
[19:31] Eranty Int: but must hispanics aren't white
[19:31] blackhope121: not hispanics
[19:31] Eranty Int: so why call them white?
[19:31] blackhope121: yes they are
[19:31] Eranty Int: if by white you mean caucasian
[19:31] Eranty Int: no, SPANIARDS are "white"
[19:31] blackhope121: most people dont know what hispanic is
[19:31] Eranty Int: Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, South Asia, Russia, and in certain areas of Central Asia
[19:31] Eranty Int: that's where caucasian people are from
[19:32] blackhope121: yeah so
[19:32] Eranty Int: so white's, browns, yellows, and some blacks.
[19:32] Eranty Int: so white does not mean caucasian
[19:32] blackhope121: ill take your word
[19:32] Eranty Int: so thus, white is an ignorant and racist term
[19:32] Eranty Int: but you know what?
[19:32] Eranty Int: I'm not gonna have a hair-baby about it.
[19:33] Eranty Int: I wouldn't even bat an eye if you called me cracker, honkey, howlie, etc.
[19:33] Eranty Int: but if I drop the n-bomb
[19:33] Eranty Int: every african-american male in 50 feet calls me a racist
[19:33] blackhope121: just cause you dont get offended by racist terms
[19:33] blackhope121: doesnt mean i cant
[19:34] Eranty Int: Then you allow racism to affect you.
[19:34] blackhope121: so be it
[19:34] Eranty Int: Yep.
[19:34] Eranty Int: So who's holding you down?
[19:34] blackhope121: no one
[19:34] Eranty Int: Yep.
[19:34] blackhope121: me personally im good
[19:34] blackhope121: blackhope
[19:35] Eranty Int: Does the "black" race need hope?
[19:35] blackhope121: haha
[19:35] blackhope121: yeah
[19:35] blackhope121: but not pity
[19:35] Eranty Int: Does the "white" race need hope?
[19:35] blackhope121: my friends called me blackhope back in the day
[19:36] blackhope121: its not some sort of black panther name
[19:36] blackhope121: i dont even know what your getting at or want me to say
[19:36] Eranty Int: You say the "black" race needs hope, but not pitty.
[19:37] Eranty Int: So I'm asking you if the "white" race needs hope.
[19:37] blackhope121: sure why not
[19:37] Eranty Int: Don't sound so thrilled ;-)
[19:37] blackhope121: what are you debating with me
[19:37] blackhope121: i have no clue
[19:38] blackhope121: im bout to go fiddle with my car....i like doing that more then talking about racism
[19:38] Eranty Int: I think you have some screwed up views, but that could be me. You believe the "black" man needs a helping hand for injustices that nobody alive commited
[19:38] Eranty Int: And that makes me sad for you.
[19:38] Eranty Int: But have fun with your car.
[19:38] blackhope121: man
[19:38] blackhope121: can i come home from school and not have to argue politics?
[19:39] blackhope121: you can be sad for me all you want
[19:39] Eranty Int: then you shouldn't have posted in that thread
[19:39] Eranty Int: if you didn't want to argue it
[19:39] Eranty Int: then you should have kept your mouth shut
[19:39] blackhope121: not on aim
[19:40] Eranty Int: oh, so CC is a FINE place to argue?
[19:41] *** "blackhope121" signed off at Wed Nov 22 19:41:07 2006.
Session Close (blackhope121): Wed Nov 22 19:41:16 2006

 

[oc_civic]

take the personal bickering and check it at the door....

 

[Astheros]

*I* didn't save anything. Trillian auto saves all conversations. All I do is click on your name in my list and then click on history.

did you take a screen pic of this convo right when it happened...cause i have trillian as well and it will not show you history in the dialog box but in a notepad file. or did you not close the window for a day cause i think his thread about this convo was quite a while back.

Session Start (erantyint:blackhope121): Wed Nov 22 19:26:42 2006
[19:27] Eranty Int: This is quicker if I explaint it. I was sitting next to amy, and saw that you don't find a song called "Don't Call Me White" relevant to the topic.
[19:27] Eranty Int: You need to understand something: the phrase "white" is racist.
[19:27] Eranty Int: "white" is not a race.
[19:27] blackhope121: yeah
[19:27] Eranty Int: I'm german and norweigan. Amy's cherokee, blackfoot, and irish.
[19:27] Eranty Int: We're not white.
[19:28] Eranty Int: "black" is bad, but it's not quite as bad. 90% of people who are black are african in decent.
[19:28] Eranty Int: where as "white" could be any combonation of race from anywhere on the globe
[19:28] Eranty Int: so that song is relevant
[19:28] Eranty Int: 100%
[19:29] blackhope121: ill read the song in a bit
Session Close (blackhope121): Wed Nov 22 19:29:38 2006


Session Start (erantyint:blackhope121): Wed Nov 22 19:29:40 2006
[19:29] blackhope121: how could the word whites be more racist than blacks?
[19:29] Eranty Int: because if I say you're black, I'm saying you're of african decent
[19:30] Eranty Int: descent*
[19:30] blackhope121: if i say your white
[19:30] Eranty Int: if you call me white
[19:30] Eranty Int: what are you saying I am?
[19:30] blackhope121: your of caucasion decent
[19:30] Eranty Int: so are hispanics
[19:30] Eranty Int: hispanics are caucasian
[19:30] Eranty Int: if you want to get down to nitty gritty classification
[19:30] blackhope121: yes
[19:30] blackhope121: but latinos no
[19:31] blackhope121: puerto rico is latino
[19:31] Eranty Int: but must hispanics aren't white
[19:31] blackhope121: not hispanics
[19:31] Eranty Int: so why call them white?
[19:31] blackhope121: yes they are
[19:31] Eranty Int: if by white you mean caucasian
[19:31] Eranty Int: no, SPANIARDS are "white"
[19:31] blackhope121: most people dont know what hispanic is
[19:31] Eranty Int: Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, South Asia, Russia, and in certain areas of Central Asia
[19:31] Eranty Int: that's where caucasian people are from
[19:32] blackhope121: yeah so
[19:32] Eranty Int: so white's, browns, yellows, and some blacks.
[19:32] Eranty Int: so white does not mean caucasian
[19:32] blackhope121: ill take your word
[19:32] Eranty Int: so thus, white is an ignorant and racist term
[19:32] Eranty Int: but you know what?
[19:32] Eranty Int: I'm not gonna have a hair-baby about it.
[19:33] Eranty Int: I wouldn't even bat an eye if you called me cracker, honkey, howlie, etc.
[19:33] Eranty Int: but if I drop the n-bomb
[19:33] Eranty Int: every african-american male in 50 feet calls me a racist
[19:33] blackhope121: just cause you dont get offended by racist terms
[19:33] blackhope121: doesnt mean i cant
[19:34] Eranty Int: Then you allow racism to affect you.
[19:34] blackhope121: so be it
[19:34] Eranty Int: Yep.
[19:34] Eranty Int: So who's holding you down?
[19:34] blackhope121: no one
[19:34] Eranty Int: Yep.
[19:34] blackhope121: me personally im good
[19:34] blackhope121: blackhope
[19:35] Eranty Int: Does the "black" race need hope?
[19:35] blackhope121: haha
[19:35] blackhope121: yeah
[19:35] blackhope121: but not pity
[19:35] Eranty Int: Does the "white" race need hope?
[19:35] blackhope121: my friends called me blackhope back in the day
[19:36] blackhope121: its not some sort of black panther name
[19:36] blackhope121: i dont even know what your getting at or want me to say
[19:36] Eranty Int: You say the "black" race needs hope, but not pitty.
[19:37] Eranty Int: So I'm asking you if the "white" race needs hope.
[19:37] blackhope121: sure why not
[19:37] Eranty Int: Don't sound so thrilled ;-)
[19:37] blackhope121: what are you debating with me
[19:37] blackhope121: i have no clue
[19:38] blackhope121: im bout to go fiddle with my car....i like doing that more then talking about racism
[19:38] Eranty Int: I think you have some screwed up views, but that could be me. You believe the "black" man needs a helping hand for injustices that nobody alive commited
[19:38] Eranty Int: And that makes me sad for you.
[19:38] Eranty Int: But have fun with your car.
[19:38] blackhope121: man
[19:38] blackhope121: can i come home from school and not have to argue politics?
[19:39] blackhope121: you can be sad for me all you want
[19:39] Eranty Int: then you shouldn't have posted in that thread
[19:39] Eranty Int: if you didn't want to argue it
[19:39] Eranty Int: then you should have kept your mouth shut
[19:39] blackhope121: not on aim
[19:40] Eranty Int: oh, so CC is a FINE place to argue?
[19:41] *** "blackhope121" signed off at Wed Nov 22 19:41:07 2006.
Session Close (blackhope121): Wed Nov 22 19:41:16 2006

where the hell did eran get these defs from....i am utterly confused by this..
as far as i am concerned...there are so many contradictions and wrong definitions in this thing up above itll be too much too write.

i did not know that being Honduran ( this makes me Latino or Hispanic (<- not a preferred term) though) also made me Caucasian. holy s**t!

"scratches head at erans convo above."

 

[Akiahara96]

i believe if you minimize your convo window rather than closing it, if you were to click that persons name again, you can bring up what was previously said.

or something like that.

 

[Astheros]

did you take a screen pic of this convo right when it happened...cause i have trillian as well and it will not show you history in the dialog box but in a notepad file. or did you not close the window for a day cause i think his thread about this convo was quite a while back.



where the hell did eran get these defs from....i am utterly confused by this..
as far as i am concerned...there are so many contradictions and wrong definitions in this thing up above itll be too much too write.

i did not know that being Honduran ( this makes me Latino or Hispanic (<- not a preferred term) though) also made me Caucasian. holy s**t!

"scratches head at erans convo above."

ok so looks like eran got his definition from the first line of wikipedia....was this just to prove his point..cause the 'common usage' of the term caucasian as applied to this country which is what we really are talking about...caucasian means white plain and simple.....latino and hispanic are basically the same but latino being a preferred word...asians are asians and black means black

i dont consider, nor will anyone in this country consider me caucasian unless theyre on crack. anthropoligical definitions rarely satisfy the real world so please dont use them.

 

[NOFX]

did you take a screen pic of this convo right when it happened...cause i have trillian as well and it will not show you history in the dialog box but in a notepad file. or did you not close the window for a day cause i think his thread about this convo was quite a while back.



where the hell did eran get these defs from....i am utterly confused by this..
as far as i am concerned...there are so many contradictions and wrong definitions in this thing up above itll be too much too write.

i did not know that being Honduran ( this makes me Latino or Hispanic (<- not a preferred term) though) also made me Caucasian. holy s**t!

"scratches head at erans convo above."

No, that's a screenshot of my program. I removed names and stuff, thats' all. That's what it looks like if I click on someone's name in my buddy list. Iit's weird if yours doesn't. If he had just told me that (or I'd minimized the window) the text would be in the original color (usually black). Old text from previous conversations will be that light grey color and links are blue and underlined.

And I have no idea what "thread about this convo" is talking about... see, that was all based on comments between BlackHope and I through IM which were based off of comments made in this thread.

The convo there (between BlackHope and Eran) was taken from the active history, view text. This opens it into a Notepad file. Then this file was moved from Eran's computer to my computer over our network.

And yes, Hispanics can be Caucasians.

Cau‧ca‧sian
Anthropology. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of one of the traditional racial divisions of humankind, marked by fair to dark skin, straight to tightly curled hair, and light to very dark eyes, and originally inhabiting Europe, parts of North Africa, western Asia, and India: no longer in technical use.

i believe if you minimize your convo window rather than closing it, if you were to click that persons name again, you can bring up what was previously said.

or something like that.

Yeah, that's basically what I did. Only you don't have to just minimize it though. Close it completely and you can still view it later on. If I were to click any name on my list right now, no matter if the last time I spoke to them online was six months ago... I'd still see the last conversation displayed. And if I want to go further back, I can view history.

 

[NOFX]

ok so looks like eran got his definition from the first line of wikipedia....was this just to prove his point..cause the 'common usage' of the term caucasian as applied to this country which is what we really are talking about...caucasian means white plain and simple.....latino and hispanic are basically the same but latino being a preferred word...asians are asians and black means black

i dont consider, nor will anyone in this country consider me caucasian unless theyre on crack. anthropoligical definitions rarely satisfy the real world so please dont use them.

"Spainards" are still both Caucasian and Hispanic at the same time.

You saying *you're* not "white"doesn't change that.

Yep... even people from North Africa.

"Caucasian" doesn't just plain mean "white" either. Just like "African" and "black" aren't always the same. Latin people are a part of the Caucasiod race though.

And now that I think of it... more than likely you are definately of Caucsaian decent (just like I have asian roots way way way back too... only most liikely farther back in time than your caucasian/Spanish roots would probably be). Honduras was discovered by the Spanish, who (traditionally) fall under both Hispanic and Caucasian. I mean, unless you trace back and find only Mayan ancestory, then you likely have Spanish/Caucasian/Hispanic ancestors too. Of course, that's also assuming your family was in Honduras in the early 1500s (when the Spanish began flowing in).

Even if they weren't... there's still a huge possibilty that you have Caucasoiid blood in your veins. Along withNegroid blood too. (Just mentioning those two since they're two of the widest srpead races or people out there.)

 

[MR99si]

 

[oc_civic]

my sister in law is from Honduras

 

[Astheros]

"Spainards" are still both Caucasian and Hispanic at the same time.

You saying *you're* not "white"doesn't change that.

Yep... even people from North Africa.

"Caucasian" doesn't just plain mean "white" either. Just like "African" and "black" aren't always the same. Latin people are a part of the Caucasiod race though.

And now that I think of it... more than likely you are definately of Caucsaian decent (just like I have asian roots way way way back too... only most liikely farther back in time than your caucasian/Spanish roots would probably be). Honduras was discovered by the Spanish, who (traditionally) fall under both Hispanic and Caucasian. I mean, unless you trace back and find only Mayan ancestory, then you likely have Spanish/Caucasian/Hispanic ancestors too. Of course, that's also assuming your family was in Honduras in the early 1500s (when the Spanish began flowing in).

Even if they weren't... there's still a huge possibilty that you have Caucasoiid blood in your veins. Along withNegroid blood too. (Just mentioning those two since they're two of the widest srpead races or people out there.)

i think you are missing the point of 'common usage' the common usage definiton of a word supercedes that of the dictionary. you are using a dictionary definition that 99 percent of the common people would not agree with so you cant just use it to prove your point. the dictionary definition itself that you posted says it is no longer used. caucasian in the US means white. you are using semantics and technicalities to prove your point.

 

[NOFX]

i think you are missing the point of 'common usage' the common usage definiton of a word supercedes that of the dictionary. you are using a dictionary definition that 99 percent of the common people would not agree with so you cant just use it to prove your point. the dictionary definition itself that you posted says it is no longer used. caucasian in the US means white. you are using semantics and technicalities to prove your point.

That definition didn't say it was no longer in use. It said it's no longer in "technical use".

Nonetheless, you likely still have caucasian roots too. I'm sorry if that's upsetting to you.

Wikipedia... since it's easy.

In the United States, Caucasian has primarily been used as a distinction based on skin color, for a group commonly referred to as White Americans, as defined by the government and Census Bureau.[8] A large segment of the Hispanic community in the United States can be scientifically categorized as Caucasoid, but may not be labelled as white (by themselves or others).

The question of a difference between the Caucasian race and white as a racial category in the United States has led to at least one set of major legal contradictions in the United States Supreme Court in the pre-Civil Rights era. In the case of Ozawa v. United States (1922), the court ruled that a law which extended U.S. citizenship only to "whites" did not apply to fair-skinned people from Japan, because:

The term "white person", as used in [the law], and in all the earlier naturalization laws, beginning in 1790, applies to such persons as were known in this country as "white," in the racial sense, when it was first adopted, and is confined to persons of the Caucasian Race... A Japanese, born in Japan, being clearly not a Caucasian, cannot be made a citizen of the United States.

However a year later, the same court was faced with the trial of United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind (1923), where they ruled that someone from the Indian subcontinent could not become a naturalized United States citizen, because they were not "white". The Supreme Court conceded that anthropologists had classified Indians as Caucasians, and thus the same race as whites, as defined in Ozawa. However, it concluded that "the average man knows perfectly well that there are unmistakable and profound differences," and denied citizenship.

 

[Astheros]

my sister in law is from Honduras

yeah you had mentioned that over aim when i was buying s**t from you at one time i think.

would you consider her caucasian?

 

[Astheros]

That definition didn't say it was no longer in use. It said it's no longer in "technical use".

Nonetheless, you likely still have caucasian roots too. I'm sorry if that's upsetting to you.

it doesnt upset me at all...s**t i wish i was considered caucasian in this country.

what i am saying is that 99.9 people in this country would not call me caucasian...wether or not i have roots or can anthropologically be classified as one. so i dont think its right to use a non-existant definition of a word to prove your point.

have you ever honestly heard anyone say that an Indian person is caucasian? cause i havent...everytime i hear the word its in reference to a white person.

kinda like saying dork...it literally means a whale's penis.....but is that how people use it? no.

 

[NOFX]

it doesnt upset me at all...s**t i wish i was considered caucasian in this country.

what i am saying is that 99.9 people in this country would not call me caucasian...wether or not i have roots or can anthropologically be classified as one. so i dont think its right to use a non-existant definition of a word to prove your point.

have you ever honestly heard anyone say that an Indian person is caucasian? cause i havent...everytime i hear the word its in reference to a white person.

kinda like saying dork...it literally means a whale's penis.....but is that how people use it? no.

Actually, "dork" means penis, not just specifically a whale's penis.

Oh once again... it's not a non-existant definition.

All whites are caucasians but not all caucasians are white.