Turbo LS

[EG_CaSe]

im going to keep the b16 trans for awhile but i might swap for a LS just because i like long gears..

Heres a questions for you guys, What do you think about Ebay turbo kits? i was thinkin about gettin one for awhile and swapin out the turbo,BOV, and waste gate ( heard bad things about these parts )

 

[Sleeper]

ok for u guys that dont kno.....when u turbo a car.....vtec pretty much is gone....so higher rpm range is when the turbo kicks so it dont matter if he has vtec or not... just 2 clearify this

Um, who the hell told you that crock of s**t?

 

[Sleeper]

vtec is not actually gone but it still works aand makes bout an easy 10-15 % more power then non vtec motor with the same setup... its just harder to tune. but when vtec kicks in while in boost your rpm's are gonna shoot up quick.

GSR cams, easy to tune as any other motor.

 

[EG_CaSe]

GSR cams, easy to tune as any other motor.

Ive heard that Gsr's are best for turbo in OEM Spec cams, but seen a few turbo cars with ITR/CTR cams.. is this good? just askin could be useful some day

 

[stealthy]

itr/ctr cams are the best, in fact they are the only turbo cams jeff evans recommends.gsr's are next in line.

ebay turbo kits....junk.i would never buy one.build your own out of quality pieces

 

[Sleeper]

itr/ctr cams are the best, in fact they are the only turbo cams jeff evans recommends.gsr's are next in line.

ebay turbo kits....junk.i would never buy one.build your own out of quality pieces

Everything I seen Evan say its always been GSR cams for high boost applications, CTR/ITR for lower boost setups

 

[C.F. Freak]

i see turbo ls's all day make 230 whp....stock motor......

230?? That's it??

I can name, off the top of my head, at least 8 turbo LSs running around here in Texas pushing 300whp on the stock motor.

You should easily be able to push 300 at the wheels with a 57 trim and fuel support (get the 550s) and a good tuner. What are you going to use to tune with?

Oh, and your setup (tuned) will put you into low-mid 13s on street tires, and 12s with slicks or maybe DRs.

 

[EG_CaSe]

230?? That's it??

I can name, off the top of my head, at least 8 turbo LSs running around here in Texas pushing 300whp on the stock motor.

You should easily be able to push 300 at the wheels with a 57 trim and fuel support (get the 550s) and a good tuner. What are you going to use to tune with?

i was talking to a few guys about tunning 2 of them said Uberdata with 450-550 injectors.. does $$350 sound good for a Dyno tune but using uberdata?

BTW everyone said anything under 300WHP is what i will be safe with..

 

[StanghaterCivic]

230?? That's it??

I can name, off the top of my head, at least 8 turbo LSs running around here in Texas pushing 300whp on the stock motor.

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well how in the hell r yall doin that? cuz every turbo LS ive seen tuned with HONDATA only makes 230 or so on 11-12psi

 

[stealthy]

300whp is pushing it on a stock ls, dont push your luck if you ask me, and you said you wanted to do it right this time so thatd be the first thing to look at

 

[Brian Spilner]

230?? That's it??

I can name, off the top of my head, at least 8 turbo LSs running around here in Texas pushing 300whp on the stock motor.

well how in the hell r yall doin that? cuz every turbo LS ive seen tuned with HONDATA only makes 230 or so on 11-12psi

they must have had a pretty shitty tune then.

 

[C.F. Freak]

i was talking to a few guys about tunning 2 of them said Uberdata with 450-550 injectors.. does $$350 sound good for a Dyno tune but using uberdata?

BTW everyone said anything under 300WHP is what i will be safe with..

$350 sounds right depending how they charge. Most shops charge a flat rate for the first hour...say $200. Then, for every hour after that, they charge around $75-100. It all depends on the shop.

As for safety...like I said, it's in the tune. I've seen an LS push 300whp on a conservative tune. His engine lasted for 2 years until his wastegate f**ked up and blew it up.

Anything is possible with a kickass tuner. Tony at Arturbo/Tony1 Race Development here in Rowlett, Texas pulled 388whp out of a bone stock GSR. That engine took redline abuse everyday for a year and a half.

If you're happy with 250-275 at the wheels, by all means go for it. I'm just letting you know what's possible.

 

[C.F. Freak]

230?? That's it??

I can name, off the top of my head, at least 8 turbo LSs running around here in Texas pushing 300whp on the stock motor.

well how in the hell r yall doin that? cuz every turbo LS ive seen tuned with HONDATA only makes 230 or so on 11-12psi

You say that as if Hondata is the god of piggyback engine management. It's the TUNER, not the management system!

 

[EG_CaSe]

$350 sounds right depending how they charge. Most shops charge a flat rate for the first hour...say $200. Then, for every hour after that, they charge around $75-100. It all depends on the shop.

As for safety...like I said, it's in the tune. I've seen an LS push 300whp on a conservative tune. His engine lasted for 2 years until his wastegate f**ked up and blew it up.

Anything is possible with a kickass tuner. Tony at Arturbo/Tony1 Race Development here in Rowlett, Texas pulled 388whp out of a bone stock GSR. That engine took redline abuse everyday for a year and a half.

If you're happy with 250-275 at the wheels, by all means go for it. I'm just letting you know what's possible.

yea its $100 tuners fee and $100 each hour after that, then 50 for a basemap tunning my fuel and timming to my setup.. 250-275 dont sound bad for a stock motor, Later on down the road im going to add some turbo cams, and some better pistons 8.5.1 - 9.1 ( i will see when i do it ) as for valve springs and retainers im gettin a brand new set for free so i figgure thats added safety.. i want to rush into this so bad I cant stand the fact that im going to have the slowest car around now. and it may be a month or two till turbo.

its going to suck because The R build is GONE! the Gsr is bein sold to my brother ( no more beatin on it ) and im stuck with a bone stock LS till i get all my parts. Plus a added 2 or 3 weeks for paint maybe more with this guy

 

[StanghaterCivic]

You say that as if Hondata is the god of piggyback engine management. It's the TUNER, not the management system!

well im purty sure that tuner is one of the best.......Mark from Turbotune......its where Darrel Cox goes and some other big drag car people go but i cant think of the names.....and i didnt mean it like that when i said hondata its just how i typed it

 

[quicksilver1689]

With the combination you specified id say 230-250whp. Head work is gonna be ur friend on a non vtec motor. Good cams a light porting and the right intake manifold would put you around 260-275 whp range.

 

[C.F. Freak]

The guy I bought my Civic from just got his LS turbo dyno'd.

Mods:

Here's the break down on the motor. A/C and P/S BABY!
B18B
HEAD
-P/P
-Crower 402 Camshafts
-Buddy Club Cam Gears
-Stock Headgasket
-Greddy Timing Belt
-JD Edelbrock Victor X Manifold
-STR Throttle Body
-NGK Wires

BLOCK
-JE Pistons
-Crower Rods
-Crower Rod Bolts
-OEM Headgasket

TRANSMISSION
-Clutch Specialties 6-Puck Sprung
-ACT Lightened Flywheel

TURBO SETUP
-Drag Generation III Turbo Kit
-35MM Tial Wastegate
-HKS SS BOV
-Johnny Race Car Intercooler
-Perrin Boost Controller
-Custom Catch Can
-2.5" Downpipe, 2.5" Testpipe, Apexi N1 Exhaust

ENGINE MANAGEMENT
-B&M FPR/Gauge
-Walbro Intake Fuel Pump
-RC 1000CC Injectors
-Neptune b***h

He made 275/210 @ 10psi
And got 331/250 @ 18psi

On pump gas

 

[soldiaboy]

going from a b16 tranny to a ls is the dumbest thing Ive ever heard. you might as well throw in the single cam because I see you want to go slower. when I had my civic, my plans were to go ls turbo. you can have anywhere from 250-300 with the setup your going with, search on h-t and everyone will tell you that the b16 tranny is better. think about it, if the tranny was all that great why didnt the si come with it. ls trannys are for saving gas nuff said

 

[quicksilver1689]

Unless ur running a rediculous amount of power the LS tranny is gonna hold you back. B16 tranny keeps you right in the peak powerband. ITs nice to shift gears and not drop outa the powerband of the motor.

 

[C.F. Freak]

going from a b16 tranny to a ls is the dumbest thing Ive ever heard. you might as well throw in the single cam because I see you want to go slower. when I had my civic, my plans were to go ls turbo. you can have anywhere from 250-300 with the setup your going with, search on h-t and everyone will tell you that the b16 tranny is better. think about it, if the tranny was all that great why didnt the si come with it. ls trannys are for saving gas nuff said

Why did the Si come with the B16 tranny? Well, probably because it has the B16 motor! Dit-deety dur.

LS trannies are by no means for saving gas. LS trannies are very nice for turbo cars. The B16 and B18c engines both rev much higher than the LS. Whether you have a turbo that spools at 2000rpm or a turbo that spools at 5000rpm, the LS tranny will benefit you because you stay in boost longer because of the looong gears. The B16 tranny, depending on your turbo, could even take you OUT of boost when shifting because the ratios are so short.

I'm not saying the B16 tranny is bad because it's not by all means, I'm just letting you know that the LS tranny is a very nice addition to a b-series turbo setp.