Turbo vs. Nitrous

[banzai]

RICDOGG: I never said that nitrous blew your engine, I agree with you on that one. Bad installation and improper use blows engines. However, without warming the bottle you have a much higher chance of detonation or failure than if you don't. I pay alot to make my car what it is, and I wouldn't want 5 minutes to waste all that just cus I was too lazy to warm the bottle. If it wasn't necessary why do they have bottle warmers?

And PopnFresh: Turbo or Nitrous do not wear on your engine half as much as people think. With proper installation and tuning neither will do lasting damage.

On another note. Something such as JUN cams and sprockets WOULD tear up your engine much more than turbo. Simply because the engine was not meant to rev that hard and high. So when people say going all motor is safer, there is just as much risk.

 

[$lick Rick]

And PopnFresh: Turbo or Nitrous do not wear on your engine half as much as people think. With proper installation and tuning neither will do lasting damage.

i already stated that with proper tuning, both can be made safer on your engine. and yes, they will do lasting damage... you cant add 100hp and expect your motor not to wear quicker. all damage done to a motor is lasting. METAL DOES NOT GROW BACK, wear on your engine will not "regenerate", and if you're racing, i'm hoping you wouldnt do it in conditions where neither your engine or your bottle are cold... both can be bad. turbo's are constantly wearing your motor more than stock and sucking the gas to prove it. with nitrous, atleast you have an off switch.

 

[RICDOGG]

RICDOGG: I never said that nitrous blew your engine, I agree with you on that one. Bad installation and improper use blows engines. However, without warming the bottle you have a much higher chance of detonation or failure than if you don't. I pay alot to make my car what it is, and I wouldn't want 5 minutes to waste all that just cus I was too lazy to warm the bottle. If it wasn't necessary why do they have bottle warmers?

And PopnFresh: Turbo or Nitrous do not wear on your engine half as much as people think. With proper installation and tuning neither will do lasting damage.

On another note. Something such as JUN cams and sprockets WOULD tear up your engine much more than turbo. Simply because the engine was not meant to rev that hard and high. So when people say going all motor is safer, there is just as much risk.

No nitrous kit i know of sells a bottle warmer as part of the kit. it's an accessory...like a purge.
but in thinking...the main reason the bottle is heated is to create more pressure in the bottle...more pressure..the more nitrous will flow. so a heated bottle will flow more nitrous then a cold bottle.
If detonation was going to occur or...it'd be with a heated bottle.


edit..moreover. i've been looking. and the bottle warmer helps with making your E.T.'s consistent.
most pressure is with a full bottle. as you use nitrous the pressure drops....heating will recover the lost pressure.

 

[$lick Rick]

things dont detonate from being too cold.....

 

[24-7]

Turbos are cool and all. They work good on cars like Skylines and Supras. I have yet to see a Honda/Acura turbo street car that worked well enough for the time and money. Only the pro imports and guys like that. I feel that nitrous is the way to go. Nitrous is alot cheaper to use on a stock motor than turbo. For the price of a $5k turbo kit you can have a $1k nitrous system and $4k left over for other parts. All the cars in my shop use nitrous and have beatin comparable cars with turbos.

- 89' Civic hatch with 500mile new stock D16A6 with 120 shot of direct port and 3-puck clutch. Putting 3 cars on a 99' si coupe w b18 bottem/b16 head and greddy turbo. Twice from 3 cars behind. She naild on it 3 cars ahead and I passed her like you do on a two lane road.

- 88' Crx with oem 90k mile D16A6,cam,head work, stock bottem end and the same 120 kit as above. A 240sx with s15 turbo swap not even close. Hanging door to door from 2nd gear roll to a missed 4th. Against 98' ITR turbo with fully built b18c5,sleeves,rods/pistons, fuel management...etc.Same Crx runnin' 12.30s all day long. No turbo d16a6 could do this.

- 02' Maxima with cai, vb up-grade, no muffler just b-pipe, Zex kit. Pulled 4 cars on turbo S2k from 40 roll until 115mph. Pulled 2 cars on turbo 350z from 45 until 125. Put around 6-7 cars on VW corrada from 55-110(supercharged).

- ( off topic ) notice how many more big V8 drag cars use nitrous insted of turbos.

 

[banzai]

But wouldn't it get to the point where you would want the power of nitrous all the time? Instead of just when you squeeze? I would

 

[$lick Rick]

But wouldn't it get to the point where you would want the power of nitrous all the time? Instead of just when you squeeze? I would

if you need 200hp for daily driving then why the f**k did you buy a civic?
you cant brag about it unless you take it to a track, what are you going to tell your friends?
"i took that onramp in 10.5 seconds!"???? the tuning and upkeep of an aftermarket turbo setup is a pain in the ass too. not to mention the warmup and cooldown times for the turbo... or if you go through a decent sized puddle and splash water up on the turbo... what do you think happens then? no more turbo that's what.

 

[2000SIR]

Go with a turbo nitrous does way to much damage way quicker i found out after owning my car for 3 months it used to have nitrous in it the car, it was misteriously using alot of oil so I took it back to honda they took apart the mtr i had a scorched piston there was literely chunks out of it must have been a really bad detenation dont put that s**t in your car just does damage.

 

[$lick Rick]

Go with a turbo nitrous does way to much damage way quicker i found out after owning my car for 3 months it used to have nitrous in it the car, it was misteriously using alot of oil so I took it back to honda they took apart the mtr i had a scorched piston there was literely chunks out of it must have been a really bad detenation dont put that s**t in your car just does damage.

i'm betting you were spraying a 100 shot with no tuning... how close am i?
nitrous just like turbo's take regular maintenance and tuning.

 

[2000SIR]

Acutally you are far off if you would have read closer I said "after owning my car for 3 months I found out it USED to have nitrous" it was on the car before I bought it then removed. That is why I got my mtr rebuild for free cause honda some how forgot to tell me about that but hey no skin of my balls.

 

[$lick Rick]

Acutally you are far off if you would have read closer I said "after owning my car for 3 months I found out it USED to have nitrous" it was on the car before I bought it then removed. That is why I got my mtr rebuild for free cause honda some how forgot to tell me about that but hey no skin of my balls.

then whoever had it before you knew they were getting rid of the car so they sprayed as much as they could every where they went or they did that anyways and when they realized they were f**king up their motor they traded it in. it's no different than somebody slapping a turbo kit on a stock motor and keeping it untuned while running 8-9 psi of boost for daily driving and 10+ for racing. more hp on a stock motor = quicker engine wear, no matter how the hp is achieved.

 

[RICDOGG]

Go with a turbo nitrous does way to much damage way quicker i found out after owning my car for 3 months it used to have nitrous in it the car, it was misteriously using alot of oil so I took it back to honda they took apart the mtr i had a scorched piston there was literely chunks out of it must have been a really bad detenation dont put that s**t in your car just does damage.

it's posts like these that give Nitrous a bad name.
if whoever used the nitrous before you did it right. you wouldn't have had engine problems.

 

[$lick Rick]

it's posts like these that give Nitrous a bad name.
if whoever used the nitrous before you did it right. you wouldn't have had engine problems.

what he said

 

[gents97civ]

I think I'm goin to put nitrous on the d. I know most everything I need to do for an install, and I'm confident I can handle it. Retard timing, colder plugs, increase fuel etc. The big thing for me is I drag race and nitrous is pretty good for dragging. Plus i have a d series and if It blows I can get a new one for hella cheap.

 

[banzai]

damn, I made this thread when I was still Undercover....shits old man.

And how are you going to initiate the nitrous, a button? you will blow your engine. Make sure you do it to a certain rpm or speed.

 

[gents97civ]

I was gonna use the wot thing that is supplied, and only use it for roll ons on the street until I could get a rpm window switch.

 

[banzai]

good good..

 

[Beelzebubba]

damn, I made this thread when I was still Undercover....shits old man.

And how are you going to initiate the nitrous, a button? you will blow your engine. Make sure you do it to a certain rpm or speed.

Wow! this is an old ass thread. Back from the dead.


Using Nitrous with triggered with a momentary on switch does not blow your engine. Using it irresponsibly with any kind of actuation will. For instance: I could not spray at all in first gear and only at the very end of second gear in my turbo Zook. Using nitrous in first just lit up the front tires. No traction = no acceleration. With a WOT actuation I wouldn't have been able to race from a standing start. No, it obviously wasn't a smart system like the Venom VCN 2000. It was that crappy "Instafail" solenoid NOS. I didn't even have the bottle open when I blew that engine up. I let a friend who was "knowledgeable" about GPz 750 Turbos modify my car and he screwed it all up. Lots of boost...no more fuel...lean condition...BOOM! Bad lesson learned.

 

[banzai]

fuel fuel fuel the key is fuel blahaha, thats why most people blow up there engines with nitrous. They do the whole Fast and Delerious steering wheel button s**t, or somewhere else. And they hold that god damn button down until they hit their rev limiter and the engine stops sprayin fuel, and the idiot is still squirting nitrous. And when he shifts *KABLAM* and idiot is born

 

[$lick Rick]

i have an idea, since some of you are experienced with nitrous... do a short write-up on how to race with it. my first gear climbs quick as f**k, i'd maybe do a quick burst in second, and another quick one in 3rd.... that's all i would use it if it were on my car.... and even then that's only while at the track. nitrous for street driving is pretty darn pointless