Turbocharging the new rice???? *rant*

[b16asi226]

see now your thinkin, youll have the extra grand to drop on some other parts you need. but if you dont that extra grand wont drop a new engine for you if you end up with the most common turbo problem on hondas, a thrown rod.

 

[Handlebars]

ill do it in a min. for something to be played out, it needs to be done a lot. i see tons of people talking about turbo kits, and very few actually getting them. i see most of the modded civics on the street have neither a turbo nor a swap. most if it is rice styling or jdm styling. and regardless of what cars are stylish at the moment, what type of styling, or the people modifying them, one truth holds certain, since people first began modifying cars -HORSEPOWER NEVER GOES OUT OF STYLE.

 

[Handlebars]

a thrown rod is almost always caused by either overboost (too big turbo, shitty tuning, or an overzealous boost control finger) or detonation (shitty tuning, bad gas), both of which can be eliminated by a knowelgable owner, a properly sized turbo, and good tuning.

 

[b16asi226]

Originally posted by handlebarsfsr
and regardless of what cars are stylish at the moment, what type of styling, or the people modifying them, one truth holds certain, since people first began modifying cars -HORSEPOWER NEVER GOES OUT OF STYLE.

 

[Handlebars]

*split, merged, and moved to engine tech- forced induction*

 

[4thengine]

Originally posted by handlebarsfsr
what special tools? besides tapping the fitting for the oil lines, theres no special tools needed. just a good set of wrenches, screwdrivers, etc. please tell me what functions of a kit need specialized tools.

I'm referring mainly to the diagnostic equipment, and the expertise on it's use. I'd be all for assembling the kit myself if I could find one with a focus more on performance than marketing, but I'd still go to a pro for the fine tuning. If you have the equipment, knowledge, and confidence to do it yourself, then I'm all for that (and I'm all for you selling your services to others less fortunate). I personally have not yet managed to obtain all of the tools I'd like to, though, and I wouldn't personally have the confidence to tune my own turbo.

 

[b16asi226]

yea, i could do all the wrenching my self, but the tuning is a diffrent story.......

 

[Handlebars]

originally posted by handlebarsfsr
as for turbos, i think your wrong. a person who knows what their doing can do it themselves. if you know what you want and get a properly sized turbo, either new or rebuilt, you will be fine. only think i see that needs to be done at a shop is fuel tuning, with a real tuneable ecu. a hondata (cheapest tuneable ecu) needs to be done by a pro, but the rest of the parts dont need anything more than someone mechanically inclined with a good set of tools. besides drilling the oil lines, just about every kit is more or less bolt on. shops dont know anything we dont, all the information anyone needs is out there, you just need to find it. ive spoken to many shop people, and id be terrified to hand over my car to have them do work on my car- not a single one ive ever talked to me knew any more about anything than i do, and theres a lot of things i dont know about. i know there are shops that could blow my mind, but nothing ive ever come across, and from what ive heard, thats pretty much the sentiment across the country. finding a truly good shop is very difficult, and i see no reason why a well read person cant do their own work on a turbo. [/B]

on page 1.. read closely... im way ahead of ya

 

[b16asi226]

yea, i was just agreeing with you.... but thats for like 6-7 poundsand if you then drive it like grandma. honda's pistons, rods and rings arent meant to handle the added pressure, the stock crank can hold like 450 hp, thats fine, but could probably use a blancing in case you hit those really high revs. but most of these kids want to kill everyone they come across with these kits, not gonna happen on 6-7lbs, they'd need to push like 13-15 and redo everything.....but now im talking about something diffrent

 

[4thengine]

That's exactly why T3/T4 are being put into Hondas. Our motors will never exploit that turbo properly. It's all about the marketing. I think in a way it's a good thing. It seperates those of us who are serious about our cars from the Brian Spillner wannabes.

 

[kaosis]

i dunno jack about s**t, all i do know is that i figure an engine swap is a better way to go and then maybe go with a turbo or super charger, and seeing as how I don't work on cars I work on computers I'd leave to the pros to do both of em, Now, as far as styling goes, I think that s**t has got outta hand, I personally don't know what the hell is up with putting a giagantic aluminum spoiler on a front wheel drive car is but to my knowledge (and correct me if i'm wrong) the only thing you're gaining is sore thumb on your car, I mean they're fukin ugly as hell

 

[4thengine]

Originally posted by kaosis
i dunno jack about s**t, all i do know is that i figure an engine swap is a better way to go and then maybe go with a turbo or super charger, and seeing as how I don't work on cars I work on computers I'd leave to the pros to do both of em, Now, as far as styling goes, I think that s**t has got outta hand, I personally don't know what the hell is up with putting a giagantic aluminum spoiler on a front wheel drive car is but to my knowledge (and correct me if i'm wrong) the only thing you're gaining is sore thumb on your car, I mean they're fukin ugly as hell

And this has exactly what to do with turbos? besides a very brief mention? giant aluminum spoilers do not belong in the engine tech section. Read the n00b guide.

 

[b16asi226]

well it doesnt matter if its FWD or lnot, but most of these kids that have them will never reach speeds for them to work on a basis to have them. there are ones that function at lower speeds but again, no real need for them. its just fasion and they are ugly IMO

 

[anfrey]

from turbos to wings. .. . damn....

anyway, i didn't read thru the whole thread (sorry for being such a hypocrite right now... i'm at my girl's house)... but my reason for going turbo is because i'm not rich, i'm not made out of money, and an engine swap is beyond my price range... i'm settling for about 200whp for my civic.

 

[DirtyD]

Originally posted by anfrey
i'm settling for about 200whp for my civic.

thats what I'm looking for. It won't put that great of a whole in your wallet and will still blow away 3/4 of the competition.... in the same class as my car anyways.

does anyone know the 1/4 mile times my car should be hitting with about 200 whp..... I know there's a lot of contributing factors but just an estimate would be good. I was thinking I might be hitting like high 15s but if anyone knows better please let me know.

 

[b16asi226]

id say mid to low 14's with some good tires.

 

[anfrey]

exactly. i don't need to be the fastest out there, but it'd be nice to give some of those swap-and-its-done kids a run for the money. . . yes it's cheap horsepower, and that's exactly what i'm looking for... hence i've been spending lots my time researching turbos and learning as much as possible about them. turbod16.com has become an invaluable resource to me, and i plan to spread whatever knowledge i've acquired there to clubcivic's turbo forum.

 

[Handlebars]

with 200 whp, you should definitely be in the 13's.

 

[4thengine]

Hey anfrey, how about "swap and wait until I save up more $$$ to contine" lol. As far as I'm concerned, my ride will never be done... Work will just be suspended until I can afford more parts.

 

[JCV2000]

Originally posted by 4thengine
Turbo kits suck. Homemade turbos suck. The only good way to turbo your car is to take it to a performance shop for a custom turbo. If anyone has any questions about that I'd be glad to answer in a later post.

Ive seen, driven, and read about lots of homemade turbos that in no way, shape, or form suck. Theres alot of people on this board that have custom turbos that run great.

Turbo is not the new rice. Rice is cheap, ghey, and pointless. Turbo is none of that, its expensive, trick, and creates lots of HP. There will always be people who build bad turbo kits and fuk their engine, but those people are at most dumb or misguided. Ricers generally have no taste and just do what everyone else thinks is cool. These 2 things are completely different, you are totally wrong, the turbo is NOT the new rice.