Turbocharging the new rice???? *rant*
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but see thats your opinion...thats all rice is, what you an individual person think is ugly, stupid, pointless, overdone....what have you. to me and some others all this B.S. turbo babble is stupid, pointless, WAY overdone. but again thats MY opinion. so im not wrong, you are for telling me i am......but its all cool, i just wanted to see how others felt about all the turbo B.S. thats spouted out.
oh, and turbos do suck in at least one way, thats their job....to suck and compress air....DUH....j/k, i know what you meant...
When I said homemade turbos I was referring to the half-assed turbo work that inspired this thread to start. I wasn't talking about custom turbos. In fact, somewhere on this thread I even said that custom is the only way to go. I also said that nomatter who does the wrenchwork, it'll probably take a shop to properly tune it.Originally posted by JCV2000
Ive seen, driven, and read about lots of homemade turbos that in no way, shape, or form suck. Theres alot of people on this board that have custom turbos that run great.
No, you said the only way to have a turbo that ran right was to have a shop build it for you, and thats total bullshit. Tuning has to be done by a shop, youre right there, but building something just takes effort and research... and money.
If youre gonna use a different definition of rice than me then of course were not gonna connect. Theyre in a whole different realm than stuff like huge spoilers or tezzas or 20s on a civic, so thats why I say turbos arent rice. By your definition, turbos are neither ugly nor pointless, but can be both stupid and overdone if the builder makes them that way. I would say that the concept of turbo isnt rice, but the people that build them can be.
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but its the research that alot of people dont do. they know the basic theory of a turbo but not facts, then they boost it, blow it and wonder why. and doin your car like that is just the same as putting the shopping cart handle on the back to me. i dont know, i guess i just think to little of the up coming generation of car nuts..... most of them have quixotic (if you dont know what it means pick up a dictionary) ideals about boost and the whole import scene and embarrass me when the ask why id dont run on big ass 18's and a body kit....they just dont know... most of CC isnt like that, you guys push boost as a method of tuning alot but id say a good 75% of you know your s**t about it.....but that other 25 (which seems like a hell of a lot more most of the time) is sadly dissapointing......yea....
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Turboing should in no way even be considered to be rice, or should the two be in the same sentence unless the words, "sounds like you have a" precede the word turbo.
With the mustang community turbo cars are relatively new and quite rare, especially for cars running the 4.6. A turbo will provide more horsepower than a comparable supercharger and has more power under the curve. Both equate to better times and a more fun and enjoyable car.
With us (mustangs), there are relatively few people who have much knowledge of turbos so much of the tuning and getting things to work just right requires some trial and error (hence the reason why my car is down so often). The install isn't much more than just a bolt-on, follow the directions, type of thing, but there is just so many more components that go with the turbo than a supercharger it makes the turbo kit a much more lengthy and sometimes complicated install, there is also the problem with space constraints. I did my install in the garage and have had no real problems with the work i had done. I wouldn't consider myself a master mechanic either (the mustang is really the first car that i've really worked on). The tuning is extremely important when pushing the limits of the block, which is where most turbo kits will put you. The mail order tunes are not ideal, but it is damn hard to find someone to do a good dyno tune locally. Also, the car usually requires a custom burned chip. Any aftermarket tuneable ecu(the most ideal tuning method) is not cheap and will usually kill all chances at passing emissions as testing is now done by plugging into the diagnostic port and pulling codes.
Does that mean that my car is rice or that i am a ricer because i bought an off-the-shelf turbo kit and haven't had the time to get a decent tune yet? or that i have yet built up the bottom end? or that i went turbo instead of doing a 5.4 DOHC navi swap?
If you think that a custom kit is the only way to go i would suggest going to the junkyard section of the turbomustangs.com forums and look at what they are doing. They are making the kit themselves and usually dialing in all the timing and fuel issues on there own, and are making amazing amounts of power for amazingly little amounts of money.
Just because something is becoming popular does not mean it is rice. It is when it serves no real purpose, that it becomes rice. A turbo is a great way to make tons of power.
With the mustang community turbo cars are relatively new and quite rare, especially for cars running the 4.6. A turbo will provide more horsepower than a comparable supercharger and has more power under the curve. Both equate to better times and a more fun and enjoyable car.
With us (mustangs), there are relatively few people who have much knowledge of turbos so much of the tuning and getting things to work just right requires some trial and error (hence the reason why my car is down so often). The install isn't much more than just a bolt-on, follow the directions, type of thing, but there is just so many more components that go with the turbo than a supercharger it makes the turbo kit a much more lengthy and sometimes complicated install, there is also the problem with space constraints. I did my install in the garage and have had no real problems with the work i had done. I wouldn't consider myself a master mechanic either (the mustang is really the first car that i've really worked on). The tuning is extremely important when pushing the limits of the block, which is where most turbo kits will put you. The mail order tunes are not ideal, but it is damn hard to find someone to do a good dyno tune locally. Also, the car usually requires a custom burned chip. Any aftermarket tuneable ecu(the most ideal tuning method) is not cheap and will usually kill all chances at passing emissions as testing is now done by plugging into the diagnostic port and pulling codes.
Does that mean that my car is rice or that i am a ricer because i bought an off-the-shelf turbo kit and haven't had the time to get a decent tune yet? or that i have yet built up the bottom end? or that i went turbo instead of doing a 5.4 DOHC navi swap?
If you think that a custom kit is the only way to go i would suggest going to the junkyard section of the turbomustangs.com forums and look at what they are doing. They are making the kit themselves and usually dialing in all the timing and fuel issues on there own, and are making amazing amounts of power for amazingly little amounts of money.
Just because something is becoming popular does not mean it is rice. It is when it serves no real purpose, that it becomes rice. A turbo is a great way to make tons of power.
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i say again....
Originally posted by b16asi226
but see thats your opinion...thats all rice is, what you an individual person think is ugly, stupid, pointless, overdone....what have you. to me and some others all this B.S. turbo babble is stupid, pointless, WAY overdone. but again thats MY opinion.
but you're right, in the mustang world turboing is quite new...but im talking the import world...oh well, it was just my opinion and i was asking what others thought, hence the question mark at the end of the forum title....
Must have missed that, its a long thread and i quickly skimmed through it.
Well, then what exactly is your definition of rice? I see in no way how a properly sized turbo kit, done correctly and smartly,could be any of the things you listed.
In the import world there does seems to be a little over-emphasis on turbo size. Running a T3/T4 hybrid on a 1.5 or 1.6l motor, or running a T88 on a street driven supra doesn't make sense. Either would be great for a fully built race only car. Neither application makes sense for any kind of sane street driving,and is probably more for the "wow" factor than anything else. That would make sense being called rice, but then you are getting into specifics, when you generalized turboing in general as being rice. If this is what you are refering to, then i would agree, that there does seem to be a tendency to over-do things in the import world (in general), and turbo kits are just following along, which can lead to a small element of rice.
You wanted opinions, well i'm just voicing mine. Not trying to say you are wrong, as it is your opinion, it's just a friendly debate.