Turning up Boost
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i know single slams runnin w/ safc vafc hacks and are running good - they'll blow away most b series swaps. maybe its not the best, but better that nothing. bottom line is doin nothing - drivin the car stock and brand new and trading it in when the warranty expires.
any setup can result in a blown motor... if you're gonna put a blower on, u risk a blown motor any way u look at it - it comes with the territory. remind me of those snobby mechanics at the inspection station that says "every little thing will mess up ur car" or "i'm not touching that". the fact is we like modifying our cars. the car ain't gonna last forever so might as well enjoy it while you can. s**t around here you're lucky if you can get a few good yrs in b4 it gets stolen. "safe boost level for a zc is 5-7lbs. blah blah" at any boost level, you can blow pistons / rods if timing is too soon. detonation if too lean. i know a whole little crew that like inigo said just retard timing, use a fmu, and swear by it. you can take your no boost / low boost ride up to them and tell them how bad their setup is while you're looking at their flashing lights after they just smoked you.
any setup can result in a blown motor... if you're gonna put a blower on, u risk a blown motor any way u look at it - it comes with the territory. remind me of those snobby mechanics at the inspection station that says "every little thing will mess up ur car" or "i'm not touching that". the fact is we like modifying our cars. the car ain't gonna last forever so might as well enjoy it while you can. s**t around here you're lucky if you can get a few good yrs in b4 it gets stolen. "safe boost level for a zc is 5-7lbs. blah blah" at any boost level, you can blow pistons / rods if timing is too soon. detonation if too lean. i know a whole little crew that like inigo said just retard timing, use a fmu, and swear by it. you can take your no boost / low boost ride up to them and tell them how bad their setup is while you're looking at their flashing lights after they just smoked you.
how is safc cheaper than getting your ecu chipped?its not.Bouncer said:a chipped ecu and safc basicly do the same thing. here safc is cheaper and there for many people use it. and i dont see whats so bad about when i see cars running close to 300whp on just safc and some other fuel modifications.
are you f**king retarded? I just told you to stop opening your mouth if you were going to say uninformed stupid s**t.Bouncer said:a chipped ecu and safc basicly do the same thing. here safc is cheaper and there for many people use it. and i dont see whats so bad about when i see cars running close to 300whp on just safc and some other fuel modifications.
SAFC/VAFC dumps more fuel in... you can't program it to adjust the fuel curve WHERE you need it. It just dumps a % more of fuel in.
A "chip" is a custom Spark and Fuel map. SAFC/VAFC can not control spark/timing. Nor can they dump a specified amount of fuel in depending on how much air pressure is being read from the MAP sensor.
If your rides are getting stolen, then you obviously didn't put enough time and effort into making it be secure. 5-6 lines of protection at minimum... alarm w/ tilt, prox, glass, and impact sensor, kill switches, custom wiring, rerouting hood release, backup battery/siren, accounting for thief hot spots (windows & latches). If you took a day and spent a couple bucks you would EASILY be able to make sure no one would be able to touch your ride. That and being smart when and where you park it.eggie75 said:i know single slams runnin w/ safc vafc hacks and are running good - they'll blow away most b series swaps. maybe its not the best, but better that nothing. bottom line is doin nothing - drivin the car stock and brand new and trading it in when the warranty expires.
any setup can result in a blown motor... if you're gonna put a blower on, u risk a blown motor any way u look at it - it comes with the territory. remind me of those snobby mechanics at the inspection station that says "every little thing will mess up ur car" or "i'm not touching that". the fact is we like modifying our cars. the car ain't gonna last forever so might as well enjoy it while you can. s**t around here you're lucky if you can get a few good yrs in b4 it gets stolen. "safe boost level for a zc is 5-7lbs. blah blah" at any boost level, you can blow pistons / rods if timing is too soon. detonation if too lean. i know a whole little crew that like inigo said just retard timing, use a fmu, and swear by it. you can take your no boost / low boost ride up to them and tell them how bad their setup is while you're looking at their flashing lights after they just smoked you.
Furthermore, motors aren't rocket science. It's all about A/F ratio and EGT's coupled with the stress limits of your rods, pistons, and sleeves as well as your valves/retainers. Beyond that it is making sure you don't have component failure (injectors, fuel pump, cooling).
Yes there is a learning curve if you DIY. You will probably have catastrophic failure. Thats where paying for or studying/learning experience comes in. As well as understanding you can't be cheap, reliable, and fast.
Lastly, I will walk up to FMU setups and talk s**t. They run pig-rich and aren't even coming close to maximizing their VE.
No more stupid ass 16 year old uninformed bullshit on this thread.
lowest price on eBay at buy it now for VAFC is 189.
lowest price on eBay at buy it now for Willems Burner is 38.
Chips are in between 1-15 dollars depending on what brand and where you get them from.
Chipping supplies INCLUDING a soldering iron is no more than 40.
so at the very most... chipping is no more than 100. That leaves you $89 to buy another couple ECU's, chip them, sell them, and break even.
lowest price on eBay at buy it now for Willems Burner is 38.
Chips are in between 1-15 dollars depending on what brand and where you get them from.
Chipping supplies INCLUDING a soldering iron is no more than 40.
so at the very most... chipping is no more than 100. That leaves you $89 to buy another couple ECU's, chip them, sell them, and break even.
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wow, just wow... pls take inigo's advice and stop posting false information. a chipped ecu, and a safc DONT COMPARE! first of all it costs less than $20 to chip your obd1 ecu to run uberdata or turboedit or the like. you wont ever catch me running a 300whp setup on a safc and injectors alone.Bouncer said:a chipped ecu and safc basicly do the same thing. here safc is cheaper and there for many people use it. and i dont see whats so bad about when i see cars running close to 300whp on just safc and some other fuel modifications.
well i looked up some stuff and zc can hold up to 7 psi on stock internals anymore and its time to upgrade rods..pistons...fuel managment
*sigh*Chaos said:well i looked up some stuff and zc can hold up to 7 psi on stock internals anymore and its time to upgrade rods..pistons...fuel managment
PSI is relative. It is an imaginary number as far as I am concerned because PSI depends on how much CFM it is compressing.
ZC's, like all other D's, can handle 200whp reliably. Past 250whp, and you better have a perfect tune. The shop I work at turbo'd a z6 for over a year... stock... put down 337whp. It's all about tuning and what condition your motor is in.
MoDs:
If I wrote a expose on turboing, would you sticky it?
I know.. isn't it frustrating? Especially when people then try to dispute the fact by saying "no, psi is psi".sleepinghatch said:^^which is why i said way up above,its not just psi,size of turbo matters as well as a bunch of s**t that people dont seem to take into consideration obviously
ya that would be how it works. im not boosted either but it doesnt take a genius to know the wastegate runs the psi not the bov.Mugenkid18 said:i dont run boost and i dont have much experience with it, but dont you adjust the wastegate, not the BOV to change your boost levels? maybe ive misunderstood how it works exactly
I think Mugen misunderstood him.. .although dude definitely was speaking cryptic/durmass.... he was asking about the function/necessity of a BOV in a low boost setup... atleast thats what I gathered?bmyers4321 said:ya that would be how it works. im not boosted either but it doesnt take a genius to know the wastegate runs the psi not the bov.
it is,when people that know nothing about what they are talking about.maybe its just me,but when a topic comes up that i dont know about...i dont postInigo Montoya said:I know.. isn't it frustrating? Especially when people then try to dispute the fact by saying "no, psi is psi".
lol... you guys are side stepping the initial topic. a afc is not the best tuning, but it will dump more fuel. retarding timing can't adjust to boost, but it retards the timing. the setup might not be optimal, but it works to lower the chances of "blowing" a motor. ok - my first 10-15 psi thing was irresponsible but jesus man... u guys are dicks getting all worked up over nothing. i remember way back when - when i started hooking up my cars and just walking into shops and meeting big headed assholes that were really good at doing anything but discouraging ppl.
im only trying to discourage you from posting bad things.and when you make a mistake,redeem yourself if youwant a little bit of respect around here.eggie75 said:lol... you guys are side stepping the initial topic. a afc is not the best tuning, but it will dump more fuel. retarding timing can't adjust to boost, but it retards the timing. the setup might not be optimal, but it works to lower the chances of "blowing" a motor. ok - my first 10-15 psi thing was irresponsible but jesus man... u guys are dicks getting all worked up over nothing. i remember way back when - when i started hooking up my cars and just walking into shops and meeting big headed assholes that were really good at doing anything but discouraging ppl.
there's a huge difference between what eggie and what inigo/sleepinghatch are saying. One gets the jobs done. One does the job well and saves $ in the long and short terms.
Is it any wonder that the two people who are ACTUALLY turboed are saying what's right?
Is it any wonder that the two people who are ACTUALLY turboed are saying what's right?
well for the record,i NEVER said an afc wouldnt work.nor would a fmu.
what i did say/imply is that an afc/fmu setup IS NOT as reliable as a chipped ecu.nor is it cheaper.and in the long run when you comlain about blowing your motor up bc you have an afc/fmu, i will tell you again,shoulda went with a chipped ecu.
but go on,dont listen to the people that know what is BEST.to me,when you can spend LESS money,on a BETTER more reliable setup,what is there to argue about?
what i did say/imply is that an afc/fmu setup IS NOT as reliable as a chipped ecu.nor is it cheaper.and in the long run when you comlain about blowing your motor up bc you have an afc/fmu, i will tell you again,shoulda went with a chipped ecu.
but go on,dont listen to the people that know what is BEST.to me,when you can spend LESS money,on a BETTER more reliable setup,what is there to argue about?